Green light for the Super League?

[Marius57]

The only thing i am unsure about on the new plans is how teams qualify for it. In the press release it is mentioned that there will be 3 leagues and teams can get relegated and promoted between the 3 leagues. what it doesn't say is how teams qualify in the first place.

Teams should only play in Europe if they have done well domestically, or won another European competition in my view.

Or does it mean that as there are 64 teams in the ESL all 20 teams from the premier league are in it? That would seem like too high a number from one country but who knows.

If they said that EPL received 8 places in the new format, 4 in the top league, 2 in the middle and 2 at the bottom and those places were determined by premier league position and winning the domestic cups from the previous season, I don't think many people would have an issue with it, if they were fans of a premier league club.

My gut feeling is that this is set up to serve clubs in the top 5 leagues essentially and clubs from the other 50 uefa countries will be marginalized or excluded

3 leagues. Essentially gold silver and bronze. That will be set based off current Champs League competitors or historical success etc.

Gold league has the best 20, silver next best 20 etc.

2 teams relegated from gold into silver. 2 promoted from silver to gold. 2 relegated from silver to bronze. 2 promoted bronze to silver. 16 relegated from bronze.

So teams placed in gold league are at minimal risk as only 2 go down. So they could finish 15th in domestic league but stay in gold league. The ones at risk are in bronze league. And if they consistently finish in top 3/4 in domestic league, then that’s them qualifying again anyway.

So bottom league can claim to be based on merit. But top league is for the currently richest teams who are up there right now.

 

[arch stanton]

They stay there mate. Unless they get relegated to the Gold division, in it forever. For an outside/uninvited club to get anywhere near, they have to qualify for the Blue division domestically, finish top 2, then again in Gold, top 2, then into the ESL.

Magic innit?

not sure how this works in respect of who drops out of the bottom rung of the super-duper league. If a Norwegian and French team drops out coz they were both bottom, the French and Norwegian champs would go up. If we were to win the EPL that season, we dont get in. Why should we over the French champs or whoever. So on that basis, as the EPL is quite strong, there is a very slim chance of an EPL finishing bottom of the blue group so as far as other EPL clubs are concerned, we will never ever get in.

 

[roydo]

not sure how this works in respect of who drops out of the bottom rung of the super-duper league. If a Norwegian and French team drops out coz they were both bottom, the French and Norwegian champs would go up. If we were to win the EPL that season, we dont get in. Why should we over the French champs or whoever. So on that basis, as the EPL is quite strong, there is a very slim chance of an EPL finishing bottom of the blue group so as far as other EPL clubs are concerned, we will never ever get in.

I THINK, that once the 3 leagues are set up, (invite only apparently), the only relegation from the whole thing, is the bottom 20 (?) of the Blue league. So if PSG and Bayern got relegated from Super to Gold, the top 2 of Gold would be promoted. Villa and PSV say.

Mad.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I have no idea why you thought I didn't know that.

Your condescension has no business here.

My assumption was based on your statement regarding the ESL being no less corrupt than the PL.

A more relevant comparison would be between ESL & the current UEFA competitions.

When you consider the CL cartel clubs, the Collina screwjob etc. they're as bad as each other and we should have no loyalty to UEFA if we were ever approached.

 

[Wizard]

3 leagues. Essentially gold silver and bronze. That will be set based off current Champs League competitors or historical success etc.

Gold league has the best 20, silver next best 20 etc.

2 teams relegated from gold into silver. 2 promoted from silver to gold. 2 relegated from silver to bronze. 2 promoted bronze to silver. 16 relegated from bronze.

So teams placed in gold league are at minimal risk as only 2 go down. So they could finish 15th in domestic league but stay in gold league. The ones at risk are in bronze league. And if they consistently finish in top 3/4 in domestic league, then that’s them qualifying again anyway.

So bottom league can claim to be based on merit. But top league is for the currently richest teams who are up there right now.

This is the gist of it but the numbers are a bit off.

- Top 2 leagues are 16 teams each
- 3rd league is 32 with 20 of them being relegated out of the ESL each year.

Explainer on format here for anyone interested

 

[roydo]

3rd league is 32

Am I being dim? So thats 60 games a season? Plus their domestic league/cups?

 

[ETID]

Am I being dim? So thats 60 games a season? Plus their domestic league/cups?

Guaranteed 14 games a season, if they make it through the minI leagues it becomes a knockout competition, so maybe 19-20 games for the winners, add that to the current league games and cup competitions somewhere near 70 games a season plus any internationals, cant see that lasting long

 

[SAFCInPeace]

Well, my perspective is this: end the PL and while we're about it get rid of those clubs who have been handed preferential treatment by them and leave the rest of us plus 6 from the Championship as an English top flight.

The new body could implement a 10 year ban on those other club's returning.

The money tree would largely disappear but not to SPL levels of poor funding. We'd be like the French League or something.

Suits me down to the ground in an ideal world.

Couldn't agree more. Look I'm biased as I support a club outside the top division anyway....

But I can't be doing with these "big clubs" and their money. I hate that even if we somehow had the season of our lives and got promoted we'd just become a sideshow to a few big teams fighting it out in every conceivable cup competition and league. Occasionally my little tiny club "dares" to take points off one of the big boys, to hand another a chance at the title. That's as good as it gets.

What would I, a match going fan, lose from them all jogging off? Oh no, I might not be able to see Haaland score a hat trick against my club. I might not have all my matches moved for TV, or have to sit in silent stadiums full of tourists.

The PL in it's current guise is stagnant. Speak to any match going fan at the top of the championship and they'll probably tell you they don't really want to be promoted. How can that possibly be? Unless you get mega funding you'll paddle about a bit until you fight for relegation again. Winning absolutely nowt, in fact staying up becomes the trophy.

I don't see it happening. But for me, this super league is the best opportunity we've had for getting back to a level playing field - free from petro states and sovereign wealth - since 2004.

So tell the absolute lot of them to trot on. Cos I've been down to League One. I've been to Scunthorpe, Accrington, Shewresbury et al. I've celebrated last-minute equalisers at Walsall more then some Man City 'fans' celebrate winning the league. I already know that it isn't sky cameras or the wealth of my owners that keep me going to the match.

 

[OneTrueLegend]

3 leagues. Essentially gold silver and bronze. That will be set based off current Champs League competitors or historical success etc.

Gold league has the best 20, silver next best 20 etc.

2 teams relegated from gold into silver. 2 promoted from silver to gold. 2 relegated from silver to bronze. 2 promoted bronze to silver. 16 relegated from bronze.

So teams placed in gold league are at minimal risk as only 2 go down. So they could finish 15th in domestic league but stay in gold league. The ones at risk are in bronze league. And if they consistently finish in top 3/4 in domestic league, then that’s them qualifying again anyway.

So bottom league can claim to be based on merit. But top league is for the currently richest teams who are up there right now.

sounds terrible to me

 

[Wizard]

Am I being dim? So thats 60 games a season? Plus their domestic league/cups?

Sorry, should have explained that a bit better. Each league is divided into groups of 8. The teams in those groups all play each other twice, so 14 group games per team.

So 2 groups of 8 in each of the top 2 leagues, and 4 in the bottom league.

 

[Goat]

Its DOA, so far only Barca and Real have come out in support of it.



The ESL saga began in April 2021 when news broke that 12 teams - including English teams Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham - had signed up to the breakaway competition.

Out of the 12 clubs involved only Barcelona and Real Madrid maintained their interest in the creation of a new European competition.

Emboldened by criticism of the revamped ESL plans from multiple clubs as well as the German, French and English leagues, Ceferin mocked that only two clubs would take part in a new competition.

"I hope they start their fantastic competition as soon as possible, with two clubs," he said.

"I watched the so-called presentation of A22. It's hard to decide if you should be shocked or amused by the show. It's even more closed than 2021 and that was rejected by everyone."

 

[ClausThomsen]

Am I right in saying this is basically a ruling saying clubs are free to compete in alternatives to UEFA & FIFA sanctioned continental level tournaments such as CL & Europa without fear of reprisals from UEFA & FIFA?

If I'm understanding that correctly how come people are suddenly so pious about the previously rampantly corrupt UEFA & FIFA?

 

[roydo]

Its DOA, so far only Barca and Real have come out in support of it.

Utd, Ath.Madrid and Bayern have all said no chance.

Germany said Nein didnt they? Reckon the PL will as well.

 

[SAFCInPeace]

Germany said Nein didnt they? Reckon the PL will as well.

It's more about the big clubs in lower-level nations for me. The likes of say Ajax, FC Copenhagen, Portugese big three, Turkish big three, Rangers and Celtic etc.

As we saw with LIV Golf you get it set up and start throwing money at it, eventually, the big names will fall into place - even if they initially said no.

Napoli have already come out and said they're interested.

 

[roydo]

Am I right in saying this is basically a ruling saying clubs are free to compete in alternatives to UEFA & FIFA sanctioned continental level tournaments such as CL & Europa without fear of reprisals from UEFA & FIFA?

If I'm understanding that correctly how come people are suddenly so pious about the previously rampantly corrupt UEFA & FIFA?

It said that UEFA nor FIFA cant prevent a new league based on the rules at the time. IIRC, that rule has since been changed anyrate. Either way, RM and Barca need more than PSV and Galatasary to make this work.