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Guardiola to be found out in the premier league

Yarrgh said:
I think he is an exceptional coach the more I see of him. As mentioned a lot in the last dozen posts, the title of this thread is completely laughable. If he keeps on like he is, then potentially he's in the very upper echelon of coaches from any era.

The only risk to City is that he decides to move on for another challenge that inspires him, be that at Barca or internally at City or wherever and who do you go to after Guardiola? I'd have thought lego head at Arsenal, but he's not inspired me whilst he has been there. Having said that, I don't see City not having a succession plan, a back up succession plan and probably a back up to that back up plan.

Win the CL and he's pretty much proven himself in English football. I don't see him doing a Klopp and his team imploding under his reign.
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I think he's already had a good innings at City. Longest he's ever spent at a club as manager and still due 1-2 more years. Getting Dias in was a masterstroke and he has to do something similar to replace Aguero this summer. City will probably have their pick of top coaches after Pep goes but will definitely downhill after him.
 
FCBarça said:
I do not see Pep at City long-term despite having nearly the ideal situation. Manchester is a far cry from Barcelona which is his home & country in Catalunya but City also lacks youth football setup in England (Reserves vs a Segunda like in Spain) despite having made great investments in their own academy. You can't really count too much on the youth players, look how long it took Foden and he is a standout gem - not sure you will see another player like him coming out of there anytime soon. They are more likely to part like Jadon, Angelino, Brahim, Garcia, Bernabe (He's also on an expiring contract) et al.

I think the long-term danger for City or their fans is the oil money leaving (Similarly, there is an undercurrent of talk of that with the Qataris and PSG after the WC). But coaching wise & in terms of academy, they are at their peak - it will never be better than this which means that the final product can only diminish in quality once someone as key as Pep leaves. It will have a cascading effect

Now should the club remain profitable, it can still be a viable project for the sheikhs but it may more closely resemble Chelsea as a football club in terms of coaching, management/operations and sporting success
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Some good points but you say 'I do not see Pep at City long term' He has already spent his longest term of any club at City and has another two years on his contract. That will be a total of 7 years. How many top flight managers manage that length of time in the post?
The City academy has already turned out Foden, Sancho, Iheanacho etc. The idea of the academy is to find the diamond but also find lesser players that you can sell on for good money so it effectively becomes self funding. As for the oil money leaving, well that's just an old chestnut. Whilst the club is (very) profitable why should he sell? The club is already profitable (with the exception of COVID as is the same with all clubs). City will never be like Chelsea which is totally funded 100% by loans from the owner. Eventually Pep will leave as all coaches and managers eventually do. How do you replace a genuine footballing genius? It will be downhill for City when Pep leaves but nowhere on the scale it has been for United when Ferguson left. The club is in very safe hands.
 

PaulPowersTash said:
Some good points but you say 'I do not see Pep at City long term' He has already spent his longest term of any club at City and has another two years on his contract. That will be a total of 7 years. How many top flight managers manage that length of time in the post?
The City academy has already turned out Foden, Sancho, Iheanacho etc. The idea of the academy is to find the diamond but also find lesser players that you can sell on for good money so it effectively becomes self funding. As for the oil money leaving, well that's just an old chestnut. Whilst the club is (very) profitable why should he sell? The club is already profitable (with the exception of COVID as is the same with all clubs). City will never be like Chelsea which is totally funded 100% by loans from the owner. Eventually Pep will leave as all coaches and managers eventually do. How do you replace a genuine footballing genius? It will be downhill for City when Pep leaves but nowhere on the scale it has been for United when Ferguson left. The club is in very safe hands.
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Re the academy part I think you've got some very highly rated players about to come through right? Like Rory Delap's son?
 
Billy Dean said:
Re the academy part I think you've got some very highly rated players about to come through right? Like Rory Delap's son?
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Yep.
Delap is a traditional number 9 target man.
Would be nice to have him in the squad as an option.
If not, we will probably get £25-30 million for him (based on Liverpool getting £23m for Brewster).
Delap looks a prospect for sure.
 
PaulPowersTash said:
Some good points but you say 'I do not see Pep at City long term' He has already spent his longest term of any club at City and has another two years on his contract. That will be a total of 7 years. How many top flight managers manage that length of time in the post?
The City academy has already turned out Foden, Sancho, Iheanacho etc. The idea of the academy is to find the diamond but also find lesser players that you can sell on for good money so it effectively becomes self funding. As for the oil money leaving, well that's just an old chestnut. Whilst the club is (very) profitable why should he sell? The club is already profitable (with the exception of COVID as is the same with all clubs). City will never be like Chelsea which is totally funded 100% by loans from the owner. Eventually Pep will leave as all coaches and managers eventually do. How do you replace a genuine footballing genius? It will be downhill for City when Pep leaves but nowhere on the scale it has been for United when Ferguson left. The club is in very safe hands.
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5 years matches what he did at Barca and I do not equate that to long-term. To that point, he is closer to his departure than his arrival - irrespective of the renewal. Yes he honors contracts but he also will have included a clause to permit him the freedom to walk away for Barca or for any other reason Guardiola choose. Let's not forget, apart from the ownership the rest of the management team are the same ones he had at Barca

Sancho is not an academy product of City, no more than a mercenary who simply spent a short spell there - same for Iheanacho, they flourished ultimately away from City and also why I pointed out this is not necessarily a poor formula since it has worked well for Chelsea too

It's profitable now but even at it's outset with the oil money, their aim was to build Barca-lite. If Pep leaves, you lose a considerable part of that Barca formula you count on. City are not supported at the same level in terms of fan as say the other top clubs in England. City can be discussed as a big club currently but that can quickly change due to personnel - the long standing joke has been how empty their stadium can be or traveling support. Before the sheikhs arrived, they were relegated for a period of time. They will always be quite liquid in terms of resources but how will they maintain a working model long-term without key custodians to ensure continuity of success from a coach or management team? I also think we do not know the long-term investment strategy of sheikhs

I also do not agree that Chelsea differ greatly from City in terms of ownership, both are bankrolling the club - one just has much better PR to give the illusion of financial good health. Even UEFA tried repeatedly to punish them which, at the very least, underscores the creative accounting that goes on at this level

United will, long-term, always dwarf City. Only a City fan would dispute that in all honesty. United for all the reasons to hate them, despite having no real playing philosophy will always generate revenue, have huge fan support and players who will want to play for them. Today, sure, a bonafide star would choose City. Tomorrow, once Pep is gone, then that decision becomes a bit more pragmatic (Money + club stability + sporting outlook)

Right now that harmony is ideal but there is nothing to suggest this will persist once the key architects leave
 
FCBarça said:
5 years matches what he did at Barca and I do not equate that to long-term. To that point, he is closer to his departure than his arrival - irrespective of the renewal. Yes he honors contracts but he also will have included a clause to permit him the freedom to walk away for Barca or for any other reason Guardiola choose. Let's not forget, apart from the ownership the rest of the management team are the same ones he had at Barca

Sancho is not an academy product of City, no more than a mercenary who simply spent a short spell there - same for Iheanacho, they flourished ultimately away from City and also why I pointed out this is not necessarily a poor formula since it has worked well for Chelsea too

It's profitable now but even at it's outset with the oil money, their aim was to build Barca-lite. If Pep leaves, you lose a considerable part of that Barca formula you count on. City are not supported at the same level in terms of fan as say the other top clubs in England. City can be discussed as a big club currently but that can quickly change due to personnel - the long standing joke has been how empty their stadium can be or traveling support. Before the sheikhs arrived, they were relegated for a period of time. They will always be quite liquid in terms of resources but how will they maintain a working model long-term without key custodians to ensure continuity of success from a coach or management team? I also think we do not know the long-term investment strategy of sheikhs

I also do not agree that Chelsea differ greatly from City in terms of ownership, both are bankrolling the club - one just has much better PR to give the illusion of financial good health. Even UEFA tried repeatedly to punish them which, at the very least, underscores the creative accounting that goes on at this level

United will, long-term, always dwarf City. Only a City fan would dispute that in all honesty. United for all the reasons to hate them, despite having no real playing philosophy will always generate revenue, have huge fan support and players who will want to play for them. Today, sure, a bonafide star would choose City. Tomorrow, once Pep is gone, then that decision becomes a bit more pragmatic (Money + club stability + sporting outlook)

Right now that harmony is ideal but there is nothing to suggest this will persist once the key architects leave
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Interesting post. Why would United always dwarf City though?
 

catcherintherye said:
Interesting post. Why would United always dwarf City though?
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History and stature, even now. I don't understand it personally but they are heavily followed around the globe, there's no comparison to City

That's not a metric I value but it's simply a reflection of how big they are. I can never see a situation like that happening for City where they are ever that big
 
FCBarça said:
History and stature, even now. I don't understand it personally but they are heavily followed around the globe, there's no comparison to City

That's not a metric I value but it's simply a reflection of how big they are. I can never see a situation like that happening for City where they are ever that big
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But these things change dont they?
 

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