Guardiola to be found out in the premier league

[roydo]

Beauty of a club owned by it's members, like Trump you can vote a clown out as was done with the disastrous Bartomeu

So much to look forward to with Laporta back, I am owning and loving it

In favour of the ESL?

Go Team.

 

[FCBarça]

United have trophies from more than a century ago, I think that was the point - not that their Fergie years were indicative of their entire history

City doesn't have a 'history' by comparison in terms of success/trophies much less support or financial strength. I am talking also about fan support and while Liverpool's success and also gone through peaks & valleys, no one would ever compare the level of support your Merseyside rivals have or have had to that of City. I can walk out my door and run into a child wearing a United or Liverpool kit before I will a City one, for example

Buffett is a money man, aka investor - he builds nothing, he trades shares like a child does their marbles or pokemon cards. You cannot compare corporate business and M&A to football's sporting side much less it's fan support - they are not linked and he certainly is not interested in that side of 'success', only the bottom line & profit sharing. So yeah, he's a money man

 

[FCBarça]

In favour of the ESL?

Go Team.

I am not. I am not a fan of how organizations like UEFA/FIFA and FAs are lining their own pockets at the expense of the game, the ESL simply shifts those pockets to the clubs - neither is the right solution but change has to happen towards more equitable revenue sharing

Barca, will not be joining either, in the end. Bartomeu signed the deal, Laporta insisted that members have to vote on it which will surely not allow it to pass. Ask a City or United fan? They have to hope their corporate overlords comply or risk being penalized, at Barca the members will vote

 

[Pabbers]

United have trophies from more than a century ago, I think that was the point - not that their Fergie years were indicative of their entire history

City doesn't have a 'history' by comparison in terms of success/trophies much less support or financial strength. I am talking also about fan support and while Liverpool's success and also gone through peaks & valleys, no one would ever compare the level of support your Merseyside rivals have or have had to that of City. I can walk out my door and run into a child wearing a United or Liverpool kit before I will a City one, for example

Buffett is a money man, aka investor - he builds nothing, he trades shares like a child does their marbles or pokemon cards. You cannot compare corporate business and M&A to football's sporting side much less it's fan support - they are not linked and he certainly is not interested in that side of 'success', only the bottom line & profit sharing. So yeah, he's a money man

This is utter rubbish, and its a United/Kopite social media agenda push.

1 Man City have a good history, and have been popular in the past.
2 They have a great fan base, every bit as bug as Everton, Spurs & Aston Villa, even more than Chelsea pre-Abramovic.

While not winning as much as many clubs, they are and always have been a big English club, its pure fabrication of UNited & RS fasn to try and drag down what they win.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

United have trophies from more than a century ago, I think that was the point - not that their Fergie years were indicative of their entire history

City doesn't have a 'history' by comparison in terms of success/trophies much less support or financial strength. I am talking also about fan support and while Liverpool's success and also gone through peaks & valleys, no one would ever compare the level of support your Merseyside rivals have or have had to that of City. I can walk out my door and run into a child wearing a United or Liverpool kit before I will a City one, for example

Buffett is a money man, aka investor - he builds nothing, he trades shares like a child does their marbles or pokemon cards. You cannot compare corporate business and M&A to football's sporting side much less it's fan support - they are not linked and he certainly is not interested in that side of 'success', only the bottom line & profit sharing. So yeah, he's a money man

Please stop - for your own good!
City won their first trophy in 1899.
They won the FA cup and a European trophy both before Liverpool did.
City won a European trophy 9 years before Barca did (let that one sink in).
Mate, I have no idea how old you are but you really are coming across as fanboy,
keyboard warrior.

 

[roydo]

I am not. I am not a fan of how organizations like UEFA/FIFA and FAs are lining their own pockets at the expense of the game, the ESL simply shifts those pockets to the clubs - neither is the right solution but change has to happen towards more equitable revenue sharing

Barca, will not be joining either, in the end. Bartomeu signed the deal, Laporta insisted that members have to vote on it which will surely not allow it to pass. Ask a City or United fan? They have to hope their corporate overlords comply or risk being penalized, at Barca the members will vote

Its never been equitable. Its just the income streams have changed and got bigger. But most of that money stays within the confines of players/agents/UEFA/owners etc. Everton are a prime example of how to spend money badly!

Not a clue how the circle will be broken, cos sure as night follows day, if Barca or Real or United found an extra £350m of annual guaranteed income, we know exactly where it will go.

 

[FCBarça]

Fella, I'd stop there if I was you.
You are embarrassing yourself with comments like that.
Honestly.

Someone is embarrassing themselves, I agree. I have followed with some interest both Manc clubs over last decade, a lot of banter between both about United fans coming from London & City fans from a small road in Manchester. The reality is that United fans not only come from Manchester, but from every corner of the globe. Again, it is not a metric I value but United are far & away more followed by fans than City, that's not changing anytime soon - honestly

 

[FCBarça]

Please stop - for your own good!
City won their first trophy in 1899.
They won the FA cup and a European trophy both before Liverpool did.
City won a European trophy 9 years before Barca did (let that one sink in).
Mate, I have no idea how old you are but you really are coming across as fanboy,
keyboard warrior.

City have been been in obscurity and were a non factor in football until oil money facilitated their relevance, coupled with adopting a Barca-lite model. Personally, I like City's football and their approach to building a club and certainly they appear more efficiently structured than United but both sets of fans are guilty of myopic outlooks - that, at least as Mancs they share this richly

 

[Billy Dean]

Someone is embarrassing themselves, I agree. I have followed with some interest both Manc clubs over last decade, a lot of banter between both about United fans coming from London & City fans from a small road in Manchester. The reality is that United fans not only come from Manchester, but from every corner of the globe. Again, it is not a metric I value but United are far & away more followed by fans than City, that's not changing anytime soon - honestly

You originally said in Manchester. United are clearly more supported globally and nationally but within Manchester i wouldn’t be so sure

 

[FCBarça]

Its never been equitable. Its just the income streams have changed and got bigger. But most of that money stays within the confines of players/agents/UEFA/owners etc. Everton are a prime example of how to spend money badly!

Not a clue how the circle will be broken, cos sure as night follows day, if Barca or Real or United found an extra £350m of annual guaranteed income, we know exactly where it will go.

That's the point, the pot is bigger and equity comes into play. You really think most stays with players? We are talking billions here

Reminds me of when Shaq was getting a huge contract and there was outcry, I'd rather take the salary of those signing those wage checks than what the players get. They are not getting their equitable share of what is arguably their work that is being exploited

I don't think RM, Barca or any other wealthy club generating additional income or revenue is the bottleneck, it's having the leverage to walk away if the terms of the deal are not equitable - which is what all the ESL signatories did, until they balked. It only means, that was Round 1 - this is far from over

 

[FCBarça]

You originally said in Manchester. United are clearly more supported globally and nationally but within Manchester i wouldn’t be so sure

I did. I also have said they are bigger both locally & globally - their stature is tremendous in world football and it's been the case for a number of decades now. City, again, have a long way to go still to enter into that conversation

 

[roydo]

You really think most stays with players?

Players, agents, Uefa etc, owners.

Including wages, Siggurson has been pretty much £75m cost to Everton. For example.

 

[FCBarça]

This is utter rubbish, and its a United/Kopite social media agenda push.

1 Man City have a good history, and have been popular in the past.
2 They have a great fan base, every bit as bug as Everton, Spurs & Aston Villa, even more than Chelsea pre-Abramovic.

While not winning as much as many clubs, they are and always have been a big English club, its pure fabrication of UNited & RS fasn to try and drag down what they win.

Saying City does not have the same history of success or stature as United does not equate to City not having a good history - you drew that faulty conclusion, I only have opined there is no way they overtake United in terms of stature & history - not in our lifetime

 

[Pabbers]

Saying City does not have the same history of success or stature as United does not equate to City not having a good history - you drew that faulty conclusion, I only have opined there is no way they overtake United in terms of stature & history - not in our lifetime

TBH, you do have a point. Its the same with Barca & Real Madrid.

Real far and away above and beyond Barca in history and Stature, the CL & European record will not be touched by Barca, in our lifetime. Diff level.

 

[FCBarça]

Players, agents, Uefa etc, owners.

Including wages, Siggurson has been pretty much £75m cost to Everton. For example.

Players get more than agents, this is clear

UEFA gets more than clubs and both get far more than the players

Siggurson came on a transfer from Swansea - there is a fee (Amortized) and annual wages. It does not add to 75M annually, no club receives that much in CL

By comparison, in 2020 CL, for example, UEFA had revealed €2.04bn was dispensed to clubs:

Champions League prize money breakdown​

• Base fee for group stage: €15,250,000
• Group match victory: €2,700,000
• Group match draw: €900,000
• Round of 16: €9,500,000
• Quarter-finals: €10,500,000
• Semi-finals: €12,000,000
• Losing finalist: €15,000,000
• Winning the Final: €19,000,000

The TV contracts are tremendous, particularly in a pandemic and revenue sharing is absolutely not equitably distributed and this has never been a big factor in the past - now it most certainly is