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Guardiola to be found out in the premier league

johnjoeefc said:
I just watched peps interview after our game and he seems so similar to martinez. He's obsessed with controlling the game and basically says that he deserved to beat us because of the possession stats. He says that against Burnley and palace he was lucky as they didn't control the games. I really don't think he understands the premier league.

Martinez was obsessed with this philosophy but it does not work in the premier league. The premier league is all about effective and efficient football. That's proven if you look at the winners since its inception.

Martinez generally thought his second season at everton showed better stats from the matches that he would like to see from his team than the first season. Yet his points were about 25 less. This philosophy is hugely flawed in the premier league.
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And those possession stats.

An awful lot of their possession was in their own half.

And an awful lot of that was meaningless, not to mention dangerous, passing across the penalty area.

I watched very closely......it was uncannily like how we played a lot of times in the second half of last season.

Slow, sideways passing, laborious build up....giving the opposition time to organise their defence.
 
It remains to be seen if Pep the coach gets found out.
But plenty of his squad seem to have grown stale together
Martinez's style with us and Peps style now got found out though...is he big enough in himself and crafty enough to tweak his philosophy, bearing in mind that week to week Prem L footy is a different game to week to week CL footy. He does have enough money to buy enough players for both though.
 

Khalekan said:
And those possession stats.

An awful lot of their possession was in their own half.

And an awful lot of that was meaningless, not to mention dangerous, passing across the penalty area.

I watched very closely......it was uncannily like how we played a lot of times in the second half of last season.

Slow, sideways passing, laborious build up....giving the opposition time to organise their defence.
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Feel ill thinking about it.
 
It's hard to hear, but I recorded the pundits on American TV tearing into Pep again right after the match on Sunday.



lol at Robbie Mustoe telling him to go out and buy a bunch of midfielders to play on the back line.
 
mmmmsnouts said:
It's hard to hear, but I recorded the pundits on American TV tearing into Pep again right after the match on Sunday.



lol at Robbie Mustoe telling him to go out and buy a bunch of midfielders to play on the back line.
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I think he was being sarcastic...'IF' you want to play across the back 4 (don't use defenders, use proper ball players)...get some MF players
 

Prevenger17 said:
It's a really terrible argument tbh. It's easy to say in retrospect that anyone would win stuff with Xavi, Iniesta and Messi, but Pep had a huge part in building their myth. When Pep took over, Xavi was about to be sold to Juventus and iniesta and Messi were nowhere near what would become their best.
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johnjoeefc said:
Not sure it is a terrible argument. Barcelona have had a style that was there before pep and after and he inherited the team when it was at its peak. It was a phenomenal side playing in a league of their own with madrid. It is fair to say you could have had no manager in charge and just put that team out every week and they would have won the league.
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I am going to sound like a massive bore here but I am a massive fan of Pep, more his tactical outlook. My borderline obsession has led to me reading a few books about him / Barca . Bayern. I am currently reading "Confidential" by Marti Perarnau which is fantastically insightful.

Anyway, I digress.

The point I want to make is that it simply wasn't all plain sailing when he took over at Barcelona. They had some good individuals, yes, but they were also extremely unorganised. It isn't simply about throwing 11 great players on a pitch and hoping it comes off. Look at Jose last year at Chelsea as an example. The champions playing like an average, mid-table side. A team with Hazard, Costa, Courtois etc etc

At Barca, Pep brought through Pedro and Busquets, turned Pique and Messi from rough diamonds to absolute world beaters. It was completely down to Guardiola that Messi became this 'false 9' that people were lauding him for a few years ago.

He won 14 trophies because of his unbelievable coaching ability.

How there isn't an appreciation for him and what he's done, I have no idea.
 
mkrudden said:
I am going to sound like a massive bore here but I am a massive fan of Pep, more his tactical outlook. My borderline obsession has led to me reading a few books about him / Barca . Bayern. I am currently reading "Confidential" by Marti Perarnau which is fantastically insightful.

Anyway, I digress.

The point I want to make is that it simply wasn't all plain sailing when he took over at Barcelona. They had some good individuals, yes, but they were also extremely unorganised. It isn't simply about throwing 11 great players on a pitch and hoping it comes off. Look at Jose last year at Chelsea as an example. The champions playing like an average, mid-table side. A team with Hazard, Costa, Courtois etc etc

At Barca, Pep brought through Pedro and Busquets, turned Pique and Messi from rough diamonds to absolute world beaters. It was completely down to Guardiola that Messi became this 'false 9' that people were lauding him for a few years ago.

He won 14 trophies because of his unbelievable coaching ability.

How there isn't an appreciation for him and what he's done, I have no idea.
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well theres been lots of talk about the false number 9 but Guardiola has now used his invention on a new scale at Man City. With Claudio Bravo hes now created the False number 1
 

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