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2018/19 Gylfi Sigurdsson

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Not on his own no, but our 2 highest scorers this season are the 2 players that cost in excess of 40m.

Nobody is suggesting we overpaid for Rico anymore and he has 1 more goal than Iceland.

Richarlison is at the beginning of his career which means he has sell on value. Look I like Sig he's been a good PL player for years, he kept Swansea up virtually single handed some years. I also don't think the fee looks so bad given forty million is becoming the new norm. And yes he's been pretty good especially improved this year. My only point was that for fifty million at the time we needed a playmaker who could dominate a game he isn't that kind of player, he is all about assists, set pieces and shots the play doesn't run through him he can't imprint himself on games in the way say a Silva can. He also hasn't stepped up in one big game that I can remember and won it for us, he even did that at the Swans.
 
Richarlison is at the beginning of his career which means he has sell on value. Look I like Sig he's been a good PL player for years, he kept Swansea up virtually single handed some years. I also don't think the fee looks so bad given forty million is becoming the new norm. My only point was that for fifty million at the time we needed a aymaker who could dominate a game he isn't that. He also hasn't stepped up in one big game that I can remember and won it for us, he even did that at the Swans.

We overpaid.

But hes a very useful player for us and its only money.

I get that people expect 50m players to be flash and shiny and bar the odd bit of magic hes not that, but hes scored a lot of goals for us, players that can do that are priceless.
 
Biggest problem with him and the rest of the squad is their lack of character and personality. I thought back to the best Everton team in my lifetime (not saying much I know) but I could never imagine the likes of Cahill, Arteta and Pienaar going missing. Yes they had bad games and when the small squad was decimated by injuries we struggled but we always had a shift out of them and you could never write us off.

With Sigurdsson and the rest of the new players I don´t think there´s that team spirit. It doesn´t feel like they´re as bothered. Might be completely wrong but it felt completely different 10 years ago.

I think that if we look at the 2 big signings of Koeman and Silva we can see some similarities in Sigurdsson and Richarlison.

Both put in alot of effort, both want to win and have a lot of desire and both seem to lead from example.

If we look at the first 11 then the players who are showing leadership qualities are Pickford, Mina, Digne, Coleman, Gomes, Sigurdsson and Richarlison all for different reasons.

None of them really stand out as captains though and I agree that the team seems to lack the togetherness we had under Moyes.

Perhaps because the old guard of Jags/Baines etc are still around or the new flavour of players and the youngsters are not gelling personally with the rest or vice versa.

Richarlison is at the beginning of his career which means he has sell on value. Look I like Sig he's been a good PL player for years, he kept Swansea up virtually single handed some years. I also don't think the fee looks so bad given forty million is becoming the new norm. And yes he's been pretty good especially improved this year. My only point was that for fifty million at the time we needed a playmaker who could dominate a game he isn't that kind of player, he is all about assists, set pieces and shots the play doesn't run through him he can't imprint himself on games in the way say a Silva can. He also hasn't stepped up in one big game that I can remember and won it for us, he even did that at the Swans.

Sigurdsson has looked great over the years amd would have been a good stopgap signing for 2 seasons like Walcott where we could sell him on at the same fee.

Richarlison has 8 league goals and is 21 and Sigurdsson has 7 league goals and is 29.

Its clear to me that both players have certain aspects to their game which need to be worked on such as Richarlisons movement + link play and Sigurdssons consistency and drive.

However where we can be relatively confident that Richarlison will work on his game due to his age, we can only take Gylfi as he is now and then from september he will be 30 and i can see him beginning to decline over the next 3 seasons.

If Sigurdsson had been 21 then we would be excited at his potential but at the moment i look at Vlasic and compare;

Sigurdsson (29) 19 games 8 goals 2 assists
Vlasic (21) 20 games 7 goals 4 assists

Hes playing in a weaker league but is the best in that league and has scored 3 in 6 champions league games...

Hulk €56mil
Witsel €40mil
Willian €36mil
Golovin €30mil
Garay €34mil

They are the top 5 transfers in Russian history.


If Vlasic wasnt our player and had a Brazilian name then I think a lot of our fans would be wanting to sign him.

If he keeps his performance levels up and we are able to bring him back happy in the summer then I think he 'may' be able to dislodge Sigurdsson. That for me is very exciting...
 
I think that if we look at the 2 big signings of Koeman and Silva we can see some similarities in Sigurdsson and Richarlison.

Both put in alot of effort, both want to win and have a lot of desire and both seem to lead from example.

If we look at the first 11 then the players who are showing leadership qualities are Pickford, Mina, Digne, Coleman, Gomes, Sigurdsson and Richarlison all for different reasons.

None of them really stand out as captains though and I agree that the team seems to lack the togetherness we had under Moyes.

Perhaps because the old guard of Jags/Baines etc are still around or the new flavour of players and the youngsters are not gelling personally with the rest or vice versa.



Sigurdsson has looked great over the years amd would have been a good stopgap signing for 2 seasons like Walcott where we could sell him on at the same fee.

Richarlison has 8 league goals and is 21 and Sigurdsson has 7 league goals and is 29.

Its clear to me that both players have certain aspects to their game which need to be worked on such as Richarlisons movement + link play and Sigurdssons consistency and drive.

However where we can be relatively confident that Richarlison will work on his game due to his age, we can only take Gylfi as he is now and then from september he will be 30 and i can see him beginning to decline over the next 3 seasons.

If Sigurdsson had been 21 then we would be excited at his potential but at the moment i look at Vlasic and compare;

Sigurdsson (29) 19 games 8 goals 2 assists
Vlasic (21) 20 games 7 goals 4 assists

Hes playing in a weaker league but is the best in that league and has scored 3 in 6 champions league games...

Hulk €56mil
Witsel €40mil
Willian €36mil
Golovin €30mil
Garay €34mil

They are the top 5 transfers in Russian history.


If Vlasic wasnt our player and had a Brazilian name then I think a lot of our fans would be wanting to sign him.

If he keeps his performance levels up and we are able to bring him back happy in the summer then I think he 'may' be able to dislodge Sigurdsson. That for me is very exciting...
The Russian League is crap and most of his Champions League production came against a team from a league worse than the Russian League. I understand the apprehension over the fee for Sigurdsson given his age but he is currently one of two players in our team who has scored consistently. Him and Richarlison have 15 of our 24 goals or whatever it is. Taking him out would be problematic.

I want Vlasic to make it work but he was given chances in the summer and whether it was attitude or ability he was deemed worse than Dowell who isn't even being used. I don't think Marco's assessment is gospel because he obviously has a lot to prove but that's a Premier League level manager who has decided he isn't worth having for whatever reason. If you think he's worth 30 million+ then I have to think we'd be better off taking that and buying someone else who can compete and eventually take over for Gylfi. Someone like Ziyech maybe who can step in and contribute now and work toward being better than Gylfi.
 

At least Zat said "may" dislodge him.

I think almost everyone appreciated his performance against Spurs. He and Digne were the two that played relatively well.
 
At least Zat said "may" dislodge him.

I think almost everyone appreciated his performance against Spurs. He and Digne were the two that played relatively well.
Yeah I thought Gylfi was the one who put in a full effort start to finish. Digne and Gomes were fine but highlighted how much they need Gueye to cover the defense like he does to be effective.
 
The Russian League is crap and most of his Champions League production came against a team from a league worse than the Russian League. I understand the apprehension over the fee for Sigurdsson given his age but he is currently one of two players in our team who has scored consistently. Him and Richarlison have 15 of our 24 goals or whatever it is. Taking him out would be problematic.

I want Vlasic to make it work but he was given chances in the summer and whether it was attitude or ability he was deemed worse than Dowell who isn't even being used. I don't think Marco's assessment is gospel because he obviously has a lot to prove but that's a Premier League level manager who has decided he isn't worth having for whatever reason. If you think he's worth 30 million+ then I have to think we'd be better off taking that and buying someone else who can compete and eventually take over for Gylfi. Someone like Ziyech maybe who can step in and contribute now and work toward being better than Gylfi.

If we ignore the past and look to season end then (its an IF!) if Vlasic finishes as the best in Russia and wins their player of the year award, Id say he would be worth at least €30mil due to the Golovin--Monaco benchmark last summer.

So thats roughly £27mil.

I disagree with the points about Silva and Dowell, by all accounts Vlasic asked Silva if he could go on loan (not permanently) and there were media reports that CSKA offered €9mil for him. I think the reason was that he wanted games as a starter and was told he was competing with Gylfi and Dowell.

I totally agree about Sigurdssons goals, its VERY difficult and some would say downright daft to want to replace him as we would effectively lose those goals. In this current setup.

I think IF Richarlison is on the left AND we signed a top centre forward AND a right forward then the goals would theoretically be spread and so thats why its important that we look at those 2 areas in January to bed them in for next season.

I havent ever really rated Ziyech but this season as a right forward hes looked mesmerising at times.



At least Zat said "may" dislodge him.

I think almost everyone appreciated his performance against Spurs. He and Digne were the two that played relatively well.


Digne was our best player...Gylfi always puts in the effort but he lacks the consistent dynamism in games...i mean he scored and played a great pass...but id like someone who looks dangerous every attack.

Digne is top class, best in the league.
 
Richarlison is at the beginning of his career which means he has sell on value. Look I like Sig he's been a good PL player for years, he kept Swansea up virtually single handed some years. I also don't think the fee looks so bad given forty million is becoming the new norm. And yes he's been pretty good especially improved this year. My only point was that for fifty million at the time we needed a playmaker who could dominate a game he isn't that kind of player, he is all about assists, set pieces and shots the play doesn't run through him he can't imprint himself on games in the way say a Silva can. He also hasn't stepped up in one big game that I can remember and won it for us, he even did that at the Swans.

If Silva was 27 he would cost 100m+ tho
 

7 goals is phenomenal return at the half way point in the season heading into a decent fixture run.

Two assists is disappointing for a player of is quality.

the assist rate isn't alarming for me, as he has played the role of stiker more often than not

when he returns to his actual position, left winger, he will then be the creator and start getting the assists for our (new) striker...

there better had be a new striker coming.. one whos fit and ready to play too
 
the assist rate isn't alarming for me, as he has played the role of stiker more often than not

when he returns to his actual position, left winger, he will then be the creator and start getting the assists for our (new) striker...

there better had be a new striker coming.. one whos fit and ready to play too

I like siggurdsson the only issue for me and obviously this is more evident against one of the top teams, like on Sunday.

Because he seems to play close to the centre forward, it forces Richarlison back. To get the best out of him and potentially a new right sided striker ( Lozano) is to go 433, which I think is the formation Silva wants to play. And this would mean no number 10.

Will be interesting to see what happens with siggurdsson over the next 12 months.
 
I like siggurdsson the only issue for me and obviously this is more evident against one of the top teams, like on Sunday.

Because he seems to play close to the centre forward, it forces Richarlison back. To get the best out of him and potentially a new right sided striker ( Lozano) is to go 433, which I think is the formation Silva wants to play. And this would mean no number 10.

Will be interesting to see what happens with siggurdsson over the next 12 months.


my post was aimed at richarlison .. god knows why I posted it in the gylfi thread !

my bad

but even so with a premier league proven striker then gyli will become more influential too
 
7 goals is phenomenal return at the half way point in the season heading into a decent fixture run.

Two assists is disappointing for a player of is quality.
The two assists is poor but thats more down to what he has to feed, Siggy is having a great season, can see why Swansea held out for a fair price for him.
 
Siggy is having a great season, can see why Swansea held out for a fair price for him.

How many penos has he missed....he can't even take a proper corner...and when was the last time you seen him take responsibility for his errors and track back and clean out his error? He's a fancy dan footballer approaching 30.
 

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