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2018/19 Gylfi Sigurdsson

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He can’t, that’s the big problem mate. Silva said at in preseason that he cannot play a set 433 to accommodate him.
Thats strange, Gylfi’s played a bunch in the midfield. If he’s not gonna put him deeper and keep the formation, dont play him, Silva. I like Gylfi, but the team performance is the most important.
 
Let's just bin Richarlison and Siggy. As last night proved, who needs goals?
Not in the same sentence. One is 21,could be best player in the league in 5,6 years, and productive, looks class above millwall . Other is 29, needs certain formation that is good only for him and is bought on basis what he is now, does not poke your eye with class against millwall
 
Not in the same sentence. One is 21,could be best player in the league in 5,6 years, and productive, looks class above millwall . Other is 29, needs certain formation that is good only for him and is bought on basis what he is now, does not poke your eye with class against millwall

I find it a bit strange that

a) you're prepared to give Richarlison 6 years but won't give Sig' more than a handful of bad games
b) you believe Richarlison will be here for 6 years

Also, you say Sig needs a specific system but that system has yielded 10ish goals this season and we are in February. Shouldn't the starting point BE the system that contributes tangible success (goals) rather than stripping that out and beginning with a basis of Davies, Gana and Gomes - ZERO goals?

It's all a bit mad to me.
 
I find it a bit strange that

a) you're prepared to give Richarlison 6 years but won't give Sig' more than a handful of bad games
b) you believe Richarlison will be here for 6 years

Also, you say Sig needs a specific system but that system has yielded 10ish goals this season and we are in February. Shouldn't the starting point BE the system that contributes tangible success (goals) rather than stripping that out and beginning with a basis of Davies, Gana and Gomes - ZERO goals?

It's all a bit mad to me.

That system had yielded nothing but absolute misery though, regardless of Sigurdsson’s 4 consolation goals and 2 penalties. We will never get better while the system is built to suit him. It’s impossible, it can’t happen.
 

I think he's holding us back a bit personally. He's a good player but having him in means we are forced to 4-2-3-1 in the managers eyes. When we've played 4-3-3 we've looked better and we should play that for the rest of the season, whether that includes Sigurdsson or not.

Spot on. I love Gylfi, but I think this is one of those times when a player is being squeezed in to the detriment of the team. I suspect his long term future is now in doubt, due to age, wages, and indeed whether he fits into the way we want/need to play going forward.
 
I’ve been scratching my head trying to figure out where I read it.
I think you are mistaken. He said a few things about his two different versions of his 4-3-3 that depended on his 6. Used Morgan Schneiderlin as an example. This issue isn’t with Sigurdsson, it’s his lack of defensive mids. Sigurdsson could play very well in the deeper lying 10 role, no different than Tom Cleverly did for Watford.
 
Don't forget Michael Keane (slowest of all), Schneiderlin and Klaasen who he did buy. We still the slowest squad in the premier league.
AGAIN, Michael Keane is fast.

But yeah, it would be nice to have more athleticism in midfield next to Gana. Siggy can play, but you can’t have too many slowpokes like him on the pitch.
 
Siggy played deeper against Huddersfield, made plenty of tackles, seemed fine positionally. He did the same for Iceland at times out of necessity. He can play deeper, that’s not the issue IMO.
 

That system had yielded nothing but absolute misery though, regardless of Sigurdsson’s 4 consolation goals and 2 penalties. We will never get better while the system is built to suit him. It’s impossible, it can’t happen.
Nah that's not what i'm saying.
A day may come where the squad doesn't need his 9 goals and 3 assists. And when it does, fair enough.

But as things stand, what you and the others are advocating is a change of system and personnel which removes those goals AND replaces them with

Davies - 0 goals
Gana - 0 goals
Gomes - 1 goal

Given the facts we can't stop conceding AND the aim of the game is to score goals, it's absolutely illogical to think that we would be a better attacking side without one of only 2 players who regularly contributes.
 
I find it a bit strange that

a) you're prepared to give Richarlison 6 years but won't give Sig' more than a handful of bad games
b)
you believe Richarlison will be here for 6 years

Also, you say Sig needs a specific system but that system has yielded 10ish goals this season and we are in February. Shouldn't the starting point BE the system that contributes tangible success (goals) rather than stripping that out and beginning with a basis of Davies, Gana and Gomes - ZERO goals?

It's all a bit mad to me.
It's not really been just a handful of bad games though, he's been pretty poor ever since we signed him other than a good patch earlier this season
 
Nah that's not what i'm saying.
A day may come where the squad doesn't need his 9 goals and 3 assists. And when it does, fair enough.

But as things stand, what you and the others are advocating is a change of system and personnel which removes those goals AND replaces them with

Davies - 0 goals
Gana - 0 goals
Gomes - 1 goal

Given the facts we can't stop conceding AND the aim of the game is to score goals, it's absolutely illogical to think that we would be a better attacking side without one of only 2 players who regularly contributes.

It’s not illogical to think that if we played a formation and a system that suits the rest of the players in the team, that we’d play a quicker, more dangerous brand of football and score more goals than if we continue to set up to cater to one very average slug of a player.
 
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As frandelmike has pointed out it's a similar situation to what we had with Rooney where he had a bunch of goals and his stats seemed OK but it was clear as day he was detrimental to the side
Rooney didn’t have a bunch of open play goals, he had a bunch of penalty goals. Not sure what stats he had that were actually good, though. He made some key passes, but took so many reckless opportunities to do so and turned the ball over too often. Stats back that up, too.
 

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