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2018/19 Gylfi Sigurdsson

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kenada_blue said:
I wouldn't say so. We paid that because the last regime wanted him at all costs. At that price we broke the bank because he was going to be a key player to a new Everton and replacing Ross Barkley, ready to hit the ground running.

So even removing the price tag, he was brought in to be a big game star player for us just like, as compared to, Paul Pogba.

Thing is, Pogba is younger and has actually dominated games (see against us last season). He's also just won a world cup as a key member of the squad. So price tag wise, it's very justified.

Siggurdson hasn't and struggled to be that. What he is, is okay
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Spot on.

But for some reason people seem to struggle getting their heads round the fact, that all he is " okay ", nothing more, nothing less.

There`s absolutely nothing wrong with him being " okay ", but people going on like he`s World class is laughable.

He`ll never be anything other than what he is, which is " okay ".
 
kenada_blue said:
I wouldn't say so. We paid that because the last regime wanted him at all costs. At that price we broke the bank because he was going to be a key player to a new Everton and replacing Ross Barkley, ready to hit the ground running.

So even removing the price tag, he was brought in to be a big game star player for us just like, as compared to, Paul Pogba.

Thing is, Pogba is younger and has actually dominated games (see against us last season). He's also just won a world cup as a key member of the squad. So price tag wise, it's very justified.

Siggurdson hasn't and struggled to be that. What he is, is okay
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Don't forget the vaunted "PREMIER LEAGUE PROVEN!" as if that means ANYTHING. We bought a big chunk of our signings from in the Premier League within the previous 2-3 windows and almost none of them panned out. Walcott, Pickford(still improving), that's about it.

They bought Sigurdsson on the idea he would replicate what he did with Swansea in a completely different setup and he's flopped. It's not a damning indictment of Gylfi. Honestly, it's the people who bought him who, again, had no idea how to use him correctly.
 
mkrudden said:
What I think quite a few do is use the fee as a barometer of just ability, which just isn't right.

Signings - especially these perceived 'marquee' ones are made for all sorts of economical reasons, on top of ability.

Look at the very top end of the scale. Is Pogba an 89m player? If you compare what 89m used to get you in terms of quality- he isn't. There is no doubt that there are many players bought for less than 89m who are performing better than Paul Pogba which, again, brings scrutiny upon the justification of the fee.

Paul Pogba though is a celebrity. He's got his own hashtags / emojis. He is a renowned icon in world football. So through shirt sales, endorsements, just his name alone he is worth the 89m (when also of course factoring in he's pretty bloody good at togger).

Sigurdssen isn't Paul Pogba. But he is the captain of his country, a small one however one who recently beat England so they aren't mugs and have a decent fan following. He was also Swansea's star player, coming off the back of a season where he arguably single handedly kept them up.

Then there's the optimism snaring someone like that which positively affects the balance sheet. More shirt buys, yes, but in theory more season ticket sales (waiting list additions), more match day sales, more membership buys. It's all factored in when buying someone perceived to be 'marquee' as Sigurdssen was. And Swansea knew this AND didn't want to sell the player that without they would go down. And, crucially to my point, THEY DID.

Throw in the value of his ability- 25m to 30m and you've got your 40m rising to 45m.

No-one will ever convince me we overpaid because, in summary, it's not just his ability which a player is priced on.
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Great post that mate, one of the best in the thread recently
 
mkrudden said:
I really liked all of this apart from:

"once Silva has all the other pieces in place for his preferred 4-3-3, there is no starting spot in the lineup for Gylfi"

Simply because I don't think you, I or anyone knows that.

But the rest of it, spot on mate.
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Fair point, I don't KNOW that there is no place in a 4-3-3 for Gylfi.

However, I strongly suspect that this is the case, because:

1) he won't get in as either of the wide men in the front 3 (we have Bernard, Richarlison, Walcott and, for now at least, Lookman to play in those two wide spots) because he doesn't have the pace necessary.

2) He's not getting a start as the CF either. He's simply not a striker.

3) I haven't seen anything in his performances for Iceland, Swansea, Sputs or us that suggests he can perform as a deep-lying playmaker or a box to box midfielder, so where would he go in the 3 man midfield?

Look, I like Gylfi. He seems like a decent, responsible pro and I am totally convinced that he is one of the most technically proficient players in the Prem. He's a national captain. There's a lot to like about him. BUT he lacks the top-end speed and athleticism to be able to perform in some of the midfield and wide attacking positions. Like it or not, the prem places a heavy demand on players' physical abilities. This assessment is what makes me think that we overpaid for him, and this assessment is what makes me think he works in a 4-2-3-1 (as the 10) and/or a 4-1-4-1 (as on of the two inside men in the advanced line of 4) really well..... but in a 4-3-3? I have strong doubts.

Hope I'm wrong. Nothing would make me happier than being able to look back in six or seven years and say "Blimey, Gylfi was an absolutely top signing and worth every single penny."
 
Tree13 said:
Fair point, I don't KNOW that there is no place in a 4-3-3 for Gylfi.

However, I strongly suspect that this is the case, because:

1) he won't get in as either of the wide men in the front 3 (we have Bernard, Richarlison, Walcott and, for now at least, Lookman to play in those two wide spots) because he doesn't have the pace necessary.

2) He's not getting a start as the CF either. He's simply not a striker.

3) I haven't seen anything in his performances for Iceland, Swansea, Sputs or us that suggests he can perform as a deep-lying playmaker or a box to box midfielder, so where would he go in the 3 man midfield?

Look, I like Gylfi. He seems like a decent, responsible pro and I am totally convinced that he is one of the most technically proficient players in the Prem. He's a national captain. There's a lot to like about him. BUT he lacks the top-end speed and athleticism to be able to perform in some of the midfield and wide attacking positions. Like it or not, the prem places a heavy demand on players' physical abilities. This assessment is what makes me think that we overpaid for him, and this assessment is what makes me think he works in a 4-2-3-1 (as the 10) and/or a 4-1-4-1 (as on of the two inside men in the advanced line of 4) really well..... but in a 4-3-3? I have strong doubts.

Hope I'm wrong. Nothing would make me happier than being able to look back in six or seven years and say "Blimey, Gylfi was an absolutely top signing and worth every single penny."
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I would always take pleasure to say "Blimey, xxx was an absolutely top signing" but I would never finish by referring to how many pennies he cost. It is unimportant, unless a good bit of it was your money.
 

everton1953 said:
I would always take pleasure to say "Blimey, xxx was an absolutely top signing" but I would never finish by referring to how many pennies he cost. It is unimportant, unless a good bit of it was your money.
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Tree13 said:
Until we have a bottomless pile of cash AND the league rules allow us to buy whoever we like at whatever price we like, the fee means an awful lot.
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everton1953 said:
I would always take pleasure to say "Blimey, xxx was an absolutely top signing" but I would never finish by referring to how many pennies he cost. It is unimportant, unless a good bit of it was your money.
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I think that's just false. How much he cost has a bearing because there is USUALLY a budget. If a player costs something like what Pienaar, Arteta or Cahill cost, people remark all the time "that's fantastic business" and the cost of that player comes in to the conversation. If a player costs what Sigurdsson costs, that's generally poor business. The extra 10-15m could have gone to another player.
 

mkrudden said:
What I think quite a few do is use the fee as a barometer of just ability, which just isn't right.

Signings - especially these perceived 'marquee' ones are made for all sorts of economical reasons, on top of ability.

Look at the very top end of the scale. Is Pogba an 89m player? If you compare what 89m used to get you in terms of quality- he isn't. There is no doubt that there are many players bought for less than 89m who are performing better than Paul Pogba which, again, brings scrutiny upon the justification of the fee.

Paul Pogba though is a celebrity. He's got his own hashtags / emojis. He is a renowned icon in world football. So through shirt sales, endorsements, just his name alone he is worth the 89m (when also of course factoring in he's pretty bloody good at togger).

Sigurdssen isn't Paul Pogba. But he is the captain of his country, a small one however one who recently beat England so they aren't mugs and have a decent fan following. He was also Swansea's star player, coming off the back of a season where he arguably single handedly kept them up.

Then there's the optimism snaring someone like that which positively affects the balance sheet. More shirt buys, yes, but in theory more season ticket sales (waiting list additions), more match day sales, more membership buys. It's all factored in when buying someone perceived to be 'marquee' as Sigurdssen was. And Swansea knew this AND didn't want to sell the player that without they would go down. And, crucially to my point, THEY DID.

Throw in the value of his ability- 25m to 30m and you've got your 40m rising to 45m.

No-one will ever convince me we overpaid because, in summary, it's not just his ability which a player is priced on.
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Unfortunately, shirt sales, season ticket buys or celebrity status doesn't have the perceived financial gain you would anticipate. Shirt sales profits are grossly misleading, as it doesn’t account for profit sharing formula and most importantly, cost of production.

Top clubs get just £10 from each shirt sold.You mentioned Pogba, Total Sportek places Paul Pogba at number four of the highest paid football players in the world with an annual wage (minus bonuses) £13.9 million. Then include that transfer fee of £89 million and the fact that jersey sales of players tend to decline drastically after their first season at a new club and it becomes obvious that someone of Sig statue doesn't the money we paid.
 
buededw1 said:
Unfortunately, shirt sales, season ticket buys or celebrity status doesn't have the perceived financial gain you would anticipate. Shirt sales profits are grossly misleading, as it doesn’t account for profit sharing formula and most importantly, cost of production.

Top clubs get just £10 from each shirt sold.You mentioned Pogba, Total Sportek places Paul Pogba at number four of the highest paid football players in the world with an annual wage (minus bonuses) £13.9 million. Then include that transfer fee of £89 million and the fact that jersey sales of players tend to decline drastically after their first season at a new club and it becomes obvious that someone of Sig statue doesn't the money we paid.
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All true.

The exception is with a Lozano who comes from Mexico of course and would generate large shirt sales BUT wouldnt cover his costs though could put the club on the global map -- which Mina and Richarlison may be doing.

A bit like Tosun in Turkey...

So we wouldnt see direct benefits, but we would be seeing exposure for the club.
 

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