2017/18 Gylfi Sigurdsson

[Lelouch]

Think the other thing that I’ve always found weird is fans who say “people need to get past the £45m we paid for him”

It’s hard to get past it when we paid £45m for him!

But we all know he's not worth that and is certainly isn't a 45m player, Koeman really wanted him and Swansea didn't want to lose there only hope of staying up, I think it's a fair point when discussing him because people seem to bring his value against him all the time.

 

[Connor]

Sagey 'Broken record player' Efc

Also, how can set piece assists be so unimportant when he has the same amount of goals created in his last season for Swansea as KDB had for multiple record breaking Manchester City?

In a season where Gylfi was ineffectively utilized in open play, a season where he scored 0 goals in open play with his right foot he still scored more goals?

Not only does he match KDB in terms of output, but he is miles more efficient. Only 1 less assist with 1491 less passes.

It's not like he recently became good either, look at his statistics when he was 22 years old:

12 goals/assists in 18 PL matches on loan in 2012 from January.

Can’t believe you’re using stats from nearly 10 years ago now.

Screaming.

 

[ricer10]

He's a good player !Had a tough start and played in a crap squad with an awful manager...... Give him a break !

 

[TheBlueGibbon]

Worth paying 45m for Swansea to go down.

 

[MikeH72]

I'm just baffled how

Del
Lookman
Vlasic
Funes Mori
Besic

Just off the top of my head, all seem to have 'better rep' than Gylfi, when none of them have his quality or actually, have done anything more for the club in the time they were here/have been here than Gyfli has.

It's ridiculous.

He's a good player. He needs to improve next year but if people looked at it objectively they'd realise last year, all things considered, he did okay.

I don't think he was 'superb' in any game, apart from maybe West Ham, but he showed in flashes what he can do and then over the course of December to March was extremely consistent. A genuine 7/10 every game.

Maybe that doesn't stand out as much as a lad who takes on one player in a derby though?

I wouldn’t say those players have better rep than him at all. They don’t have pages upon pages of people manipulating stats to make it seem like they’ve been better than they have.

 

[Nyhus]

I wouldn’t say those players have better rep than him at all.

You havent read their threads on here then. Lookman is the new jesus, and he hasnt done anything of note for Everton.

 

[MikeH72]

You havent read their threads on here then. Lookman is the new jesus, and he hasnt done anything of note for Everton.

He hasn’t done anything of note because he’s 20 and hardly played. I think the consensus is people want him to be given a chance, rather than proclaiming him our saviour.

 

[Steve0]

Again, it's just an excuse.

I didn't compare anything to Iceland, I was just saying he wasn't lacking match sharpness because he'd played for Iceland during the summer, before also playing for Swansea, and then playing for us. We only played 4 games in pre season, spread over 3 weeks, so if it took him any more than 4 games to get sharp - which it did - he can't blame it on pre season because he'd trained normally so his first 4 games for us should have just acted as his pre season.

The truth is, Sigurdsson never really got going for us last year. It doesn't make him awful, or mean we should sell him or whatever, but I doubt there's a single person in the world - including him - who thinks he played really well last year. It really is that simple. All the talk about pre season and the team being in crisis etc is just covering up the fact that he was disappointing. Hopefully this season he will put that behind him and be a key member of the team.

Pre season isn't just playing games.

 

[Westend Blue]

Christ Alive this thread is Aids, Cancer and Sarrs combined we really dont deserve nice things do we ?!

 

[BlueToff]

I wouldn’t say those players have better rep than him at all. They don’t have pages upon pages of people manipulating stats to make it seem like they’ve been better than they have.

Bar one certain poster, I haven't seen anyone manipulate any stats.

I have pointed out the stat he created our most chances.

I agree with the point that given we also had Rooney, Bolasie etc, it wasn't difficult as such, but it's still impressive (and a bad reflection on us) that he finished the season with our most chances created (by some distance I think) even though he got injured in March.

It also disregards the point that he's not creative. He is. Those chances weren't all from set-pieces, as we hardly ever bloody won any anyway.

People have never got over from when he came in last year and how much we paid.

I accept £45m is a huge amount. Too much. But we paid it and it's done. He's done just fine and had the team in general had a better season, we might have seen some really good returns. Who knows. We signed him to feed a striker, yet never signed a striker.

By the time Tosun had settled, Gylfi got injured.

 

[Papa Shango]

I'm just baffled how

Del
Lookman
Vlasic
Funes Mori
Besic

Just off the top of my head, all seem to have 'better rep' than Gylfi, when none of them have his quality or actually, have done anything more for the club in the time they were here/have been here than Gyfli has.

It's ridiculous.

He's a good player. He needs to improve next year but if people looked at it objectively they'd realise last year, all things considered, he did okay.

I don't think he was 'superb' in any game, apart from maybe West Ham, but he showed in flashes what he can do and then over the course of December to March was extremely consistent. A genuine 7/10 every game.

Maybe that doesn't stand out as much as a lad who takes on one player in a derby though?

With the possible exception of Deulofeu I wouldn't say any of them have a better rep than Sigurdsson.

It is worth pointing out though that at this moment in time Sigurdsson has not done anything in an Everton shirt to warrant having a better rep than the players you mentioned. What he has done for Swansea, Iceland etc is irrelevant when judging him as an Everton player.

Big season for him.

Oh and "created chances" is still not a thing. It's an absolute nothing statistic.

 

[BlueToff]

Again, it's just an excuse.

I didn't compare anything to Iceland, I was just saying he wasn't lacking match sharpness because he'd played for Iceland during the summer, before also playing for Swansea, and then playing for us. We only played 4 games in pre season, spread over 3 weeks, so if it took him any more than 4 games to get sharp - which it did - he can't blame it on pre season because he'd trained normally so his first 4 games for us should have just acted as his pre season.

The truth is, Sigurdsson never really got going for us last year. It doesn't make him awful, or mean we should sell him or whatever, but I doubt there's a single person in the world - including him - who thinks he played really well last year. It really is that simple. All the talk about pre season and the team being in crisis etc is just covering up the fact that he was disappointing. Hopefully this season he will put that behind him and be a key member of the team.

He had five weeks off in between playing for Iceland last summer and then playing for Swansea.

He returned to pre-season with an injury I think, and then the whole transfer situation transpired and he played just 45 minutes of their game against Barnet.

He didn't travel to America with the rest of their squad. He trained on his own at the training ground, but it will have been nowhere near as intense as an actual pre-season. He and us both expected that the move would get sooner than it did I assume.

Sigurdsson never got going in those first 10 games. He was poor. I think part of that is down to him, part down to a lack of a proper pre-season, part down to the management/tactics.

From December to March he was very consistent, but I agree not spectacular. He had some great moments, but they were just flashes. Some games off the top of my head where I do remember him being very good are West Ham at home, Huddersfield home, Newcastle away, Burnley away. Those were games when - regardless of whether he scored/assisted - he performed very well overall and that's the levels I'd expect from him.

It's not enough, I agree. He needs to step it up next season. But there's far bigger concerns in our squad and the lad seems to get a lot of stick from a certain section of the support on here that have refused to budge since he signed last summer. And given the crap our squad is littered with, I think some others would come under the same levels of criticism more often?

 

[Westend Blue]

With the possible exception of Deulofeu I wouldn't say any of them have a better rep than Sigurdsson.

It is worth pointing out though that at this moment in time Sigurdsson has not done anything in an Everton shirt to warrant having a better rep than the players you mentioned. What he has done for Swansea, Iceland etc is irrelevant when judging him as an Everton player.

Big season for him.

Oh and "created chances" is still not a thing. It's an absolute nothing statistic.

Disagree there CCC, Final third passes and chances created are pretty good barometer of a players creativity higher the number the better they are. And I can remember atleast two one on ones that DCL absoutely fluffed that my dead gran would of buried

 

[BlueToff]

With the possible exception of Deulofeu I wouldn't say any of them have a better rep than Sigurdsson.

It is worth pointing out though that at this moment in time Sigurdsson has not done anything in an Everton shirt to warrant having a better rep than the players you mentioned. What he has done for Swansea, Iceland etc is irrelevant when judging him as an Everton player.

Big season for him.

Oh and "created chances" is still not a thing. It's an absolute nothing statistic.

I happen to work with Opta day-in-day-out - in the same office, three desks over - it very much isn't a nothing stat.

How they validate a 'chance' is obviously still up for debate, and the XG thing still goes over my head, but a lot goes into making those stats and a lot of clubs use them and pay a lot of attention to them, including all of the Premier League clubs.

But yes, it's a big season for Gylfi to judge his Everton career, I agree.

I don't think he had a bad first season, it was just average, so I can understand the critics to an extent, but I think there's others who get away with worse - including those I named there.

Lookman, for example.

Great talent and I think he should (and will, rightly) be in the squad next season.

But in all truth, he hasn't done anything in an Everton shirt to really justify the hype. We just all know he's got a lot of talent and is an exciting player.

I think Gylfi's graft goes under the radar, but bare in mind he's been played - by us - in systems that never came close to getting the best out of any of our attacking players. So surely he should be given a clean slate under Silva like the rest of them?

 

[KaiserEFC]

Pre season isn't just playing games.

My god we found that out the hard way over recent years.