Nyhus
#EvertonNorge
To some on here, he’s the next coming of christ. He hasnt done anything to justify all the praise and wanting he’s getting.
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Black Belt Jones
Player Valuation: £20m
Guess it depends on your eyeballs - you're a better judge than me as I'd look at a player like that and see someone so bereft of skill that he wouldn't be able to exploit his pace in the premier league [was he strong? remember him as a skinny player when he was more productive]. The lower leagues are stowed out with pacy players who wouldn't get a kick in the top flight. Yet the metrics of his game show someone who could produce. Statistically he is not impressive over his whole career, but for a 5 year period or so before Villa went off a cliff he was netting ten or so per season.
Westend Blue
Player Valuation: £15m
thats true I wouldn't call him a fulcrum type of midfielder but he has the ability in his locker and has good end product if we had more players like siggy and less like bolasie ect we would be better for it
Toffeelover
Player Valuation: £80m
Personally I wish we had players of more calibre than either Siggy or Bolassie, to have more like Siggy IMB we would not be better for it.
evertondotcom
Player Valuation: £15m
You may disagree but it's simple business planning and every club in the world will consider it.
Ten days is a hell of a long time when those 10 days are an intense warm weather camp plus games. He did train as normal, but didn't take part in the more intense stuff - it's nothing to do with professionalism, Swansea didn't want an injury as much as he wouldn't have done. It's not 'bonding' either. It's training in a more intense way with the team - picking up the sharpness through that and matches.
Yes, he was fit. I don't think Gylfi was blowing out of his arse too much by the middle of September, but he wasn't sharp at all because the training and matches just weren't happening. He'll have been mainly doing conditioning work but as I said, highly doubtful he'll have taken part in much of the rigorous work on the ball that teams do once the conditioning is out of the way.
He did not have a proper pre-season, in any way shape or form. He won't have a 'proper' one this year either, but at least this time him, Gana and Pickford should be coming back into a set up that is well-organised and with a clear identity, as opposed to the s*** show from last year.
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
I don't think it is that really. I think people are coming down to harshly on either side.
I think anyone can see he is a good player. He has not been a good Everton player though.
Yet...
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
We have had years of worrying about that. Let's just splash the cash and not worry about it for a few seasons.
They released a statement saying he had asked not to go on tour because his head wasn't in the right place. He literally refused to go, so it's everything to do with professionalism. You're taking the excuse making to an unbelievable level here, claiming that missing 10 days training in July meant he couldn't produce his best form until December, so I think we'll just leave it there.
I haven't claimed that at all so please stop twisting my words. I explained my point quite clearly.
Gylfi was *fit* (and match fit) by the end of September. His poor performances in those first few weeks (which were partly down to a lack of match fitness) meant he was in a poor run of form, as were the team in general. Throw all that together with the useless management from Koeman and Unsworth, and it's no surprise his poor performances continued. He's not excused - it's his fault as well - but there are other factors.
He said he didn't want to go to America. He still continued training - on his own with the staff that were left - at their ground. He'll have been set a programme by Swansea as that's what clubs do in situations such as this. He isn't left to his own devices.
He rejoined the team on 25th July, but still didn't feature in any games (no match fitness) and won't have been doing any of the intense work to get up to a level where he will have been near the pace.
He came on against City and looked like it was his first game in five weeks, because that's exactly what it was. He'd had 45 minutes between then and May.
Those next five games - sandwiched either side of an international break - had to then act as the guy's pre-season fixtures. He didn't perform well and could have done better. By the time he was match sharp, him and the team and the management were all over the place, but once he started to pick up a bit of form then he was very consistent and our most efficient attacker (which is what we can use stats to back up).
Except we splashed the cash for one season (season, not seasons) and now we’re concerned about it.
So, yeah. It’s worth considering.
But he's not been a bad one either?
He was poor for the first few months, and then between December and March (his injury) was consistently a 7/10 performer. Worked hard, created chances, covered defensively for Martina, played on the left and had no support.
Nobody will say he covered himself in glory between August and November. But to dispute he didn't improve or gain consistency after that is equally wrong - as he blatantly did.
Rooney's performances suffered massively from March onwards as well. He was playing well in that deep role and had someone to link up with going forward, even though his goal threat had been diminished.
After Gylfi went off Rooney only had Walcott to aim for, and Walcott isn't the same type of player who is going to drop deep and link up. We missed Gylfi after his injury.
I think that's all fair to say?
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
Let the people in charge worry about it.
Think it just depends on the quality.
Yeh, we definitely overpaid for Gylfi.
But, let's say there's a 29-year-old defender who would definitely improve us. They're available for £40m.
We know that if they come we'll get two years at their prime but, injuries etc aside, after that we're likely to see a drop off.
However, those two years could help us challenge top 6/win a trophy/finally win a derby/claim the 7th place gong. Whatever the targets are.
Is it worth just forgetting about sell-on in that situation? Worth just biting the bullet and going, we need this player and he'll definitely improve us for the first two years of his deal.
It's just a hypothetical, but I think it's all about weighing up those decisions. If we made one signing like that, and then three younger players that we can think 'if they go, we'll get a profit', I don't think it's too bad of a model.
I'm not twisting it, you know I agree with you on a lot of stuff but my point was the defence you're making is totally separate to the actual point being made.
The reason we're talking about pre-season is because somebody claimed we couldn't really judge his performances from last year because he hadn't had a pre-season. I was saying he did have one, he just didn't play much in it, so while it might explain a slow start (as in 3-4 games while he got up to speed) it can hardly be said to have affected the entire season. If you don't disagree with that then we don't need to discuss the ins and outs of what did and didn't happen because we're on the same page.
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