2017/18 Gylfi Sigurdsson

[RobC]

So we as fans shouldn't be bothered what the club spends on transfers and wages ?

 

[4737carlin]

So we as fans shouldn't be bothered what the club spends on transfers and wages ?

No, time to be bothered was when we had windows and spent next to nothing, then we had problems, this is great.

To judge a player on his fee is silly as the prices are all over the place, a player is worth what a club is willing to pay and what a club is happy to take, 45m in this case was the right fee, its what Swansea wanted and its what we were happy to pay. We didnt in this case but at times might over spend, but we also over sell, in fact we have been masters at it.

 

[Moomin]

Money again, forget the money, its a none issue, we had it to spend so the fee dosent matter, lets say we got him for 15m, that wont change his ability which is what counts. Besides look at what United paid us for Lukaku, they didnt get anyting close to value for money, clubs who have money to spend most of the time dont, as fans we need to get past this. I know where not use to spending those sums but main thing is we identified a player we wanted and got him, keep doing that and things will start to look good for us if we get the right player, and he is the right player if put in a decent side

United got better value for Rom than we did for Siggy.

 

[Papa Shango]

So we as fans shouldn't be bothered what the club spends on transfers and wages ?

Nobody is saying what you should or shouldn't do.

Personally I am just saying we have had years of worrying about that kind of thing so just enjoy it when we don't have to be so worried about it.

I mean you CAN worry about it but it wont make a jot if difference to how the club does it's business will it? So it's worrying over nothing.

 

[Baines' left foot]

The main thing is does he want to be here? Does he get us?

 

[efcjames]

So we as fans shouldn't be bothered what the club spends on transfers and wages ?

Mainly for how it affects the moral of other players.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Swansea were in America for 10 days. He was involved in the normal pre-season set up, including playing a game, up until 13 July. On 25 July he was back training as normal. There are numerous reports of this. He had a proper pre-season, and as has previously been stated, the fact it wasn't entirely conventional was a situation completely of his own making. If he wasn't fit enough it's his fault because he should have been professional enough to continue training as normal until his move was confirmed.

I agree that it's not ideal to miss out on the 'bonding' side of pre-season but it's hardly uncommon these days. Late transfers are pretty much the norm now, especially for us.

Could be wrong like, but I’m sure I read somewhere at the time that Sigurdsson had refuse to go to America with Swansea on their pre-season tour.

 

[Toast]

Could be wrong like, but I’m sure I read somewhere at the time that Sigurdsson had refuse to go to America with Swansea on their pre-season tour.

Sure you are right about this.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Yes when a striker (who doesn't score.....) is out producing.....

The state of this place. DCL shouldn't be on the pitch, not even close to good enough

Gylfi will be just fine I'm sure. Needs to be played in his proper position and given a couple players around him that can actually play and score.....

Uh - Oh!

 

[4737carlin]

Could be wrong like, but I’m sure I read somewhere at the time that Sigurdsson had refuse to go to America with Swansea on their pre-season tour.

Yeah i recall that, but i think it was more to do with staying home to help get the Everton move sorted, rather then for example when Morgan wouldnt go the training camp because his wife wanted him to spend the week by a swiming pool

 

[originalgreaserbob]

Well you obviously don't have my artistic flair...

You are proving my point there though. It doesn't matter how the goal is scored as they all end up with the same end result, one goal.

Goal scoring stats are pretty useless though. Look at the instances of players with great goal scoring records moving club and then barely getting any goals. You can look at how many goals a player has scored, how they scored them etc but you also need to take into account the variables. level of opponent, the other members of the players team, even daft things like the weather or the players health etc. Then you have to take into account all this for every single player on the pitch. Way too many variables for stats to be useful in football to the level that people think they are.

Eyes are the best thing to judge a footballer on. Your eyes, not theirs.... that would be weird.

Goal scoring stats are useless, too? So you're saying if you look at a list of the top goal scorers from last year, it wouldn't be a good way to find out who is good at scoring goals? It would be useless at predicting, for example, who might score a lot of goals this year? Of course not. Because, while some goals are lucky, they are lucky at about the same rate for everyone, and over time that sort of thing evens out.

The only world in which I'm proving your point is one in which everything proves your point. Please tell davek I said hello while you're there.

 

[Papa Shango]

Goal scoring stats are useless, too? So you're saying if you look at a list of the top goal scorers from last year, it wouldn't be a good way to find out who is good at scoring goals? It would be useless at predicting, for example, who might score a lot of goals this year? Of course not. Because, while some goals are lucky, they are lucky at about the same rate for everyone, and over time that sort of thing evens out.

The only world in which I'm proving your point is one in which everything proves your point. Please tell davek I said hello while you're there.

It doesn't though! If you were going to drop Harry Kane into an Everton team you could reasonably expect a similar amount of goals (but probably not as many as we are not as good as Spurs currently and don't play the same way.) because he is a top quality player. Moussa Dembele (Celtic version) may not be a success though as its a different standard of league. Players go through scoring droughts all the time as well and there is no metric to take that into account.

Why do you think there are loads of examples of great players moving clubs and doing next to nothing? Its the variables involved. I reckon I could sit here and list 1000 variables without even thinking that would never be taken into account when it comes to footballing statistics ranging from fair points to the absolutely ludicrous but all of them could effect how a player performs. They are human, not robots.

Football is not a stat based game. It never has been and people are being conned with this Opta nonsense. You have at the very least 22 players on a pitch all with a bunch of intangible variables to take into account, which can not be taken into account due to their nature.

It's not just football either, take the NFL. You can take the best running back statistically, put him in a new team and he may not be the same player due to loads of different reasons.

At best stats can maybe be used as a small indicator of what type of player you are dealing with, a very small indicator (so I guess its worth it for a professional club as that extra 1% may help) but people who take this stuff as gospel are just mad.

 

[Zezti]

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Gylfi's ace.

 

[BlueIceman]

How much would Gerrard go for these days? How much would you have paid for him?

504 PL apps, 120 goals & 71 assists across 17 PL seasons. 32 penalty goals.

That's 26.6%. Gerrard averaged 7 goals per PL season with penalties.

Without penalties Gerrard averaged 29.5 matches per season, 5 goals & 4 assists.

Sigurdsson at his worst scored 4 goals & created 4 assists in 27 matches.

It would've been 10+ goals if he took penalties, and easily 10+ assists if DCL weren't at the end of those chances.



£45 million for a prime Gerrard in today's market would be a bargain. Imagine a slower/weaker Gerrard with better crossing, passing and of course with a left foot.

Now lets call out @nsno-chris, @sageyefc, @mikeh72, @Connor & whoever else is silly enough to not rate him.

Name a single player throughout history that is more both footed than Sigurdsson?

Go ahead, I dare you. You wont because you cant. And even if you miraculously did, add set pieces too. There has never been a player like him before.

Combine his both footed passing, crossing & shooting inside & outside the box and there isn't a single player that comes close.

Then add his defending, variety of roles & positions, longevity, work rate, vision & intelligence.

Imagine if Ronaldo, Messi, Bale, Neymar, Salah or anybody else were able do this with their weak foot?



He outperformed £144 million Coutinho in every PL season while at Swansea, how is £45 million too much?

Connor you were ''screaming'' over me using stats from 6 years ago, yet you'll probably use Coutinho's first half of last season as an excuse for his pricetag.

So what was Sigurdsson worth at 22 years old when he did the exact same thing except marginally more impressive?

7 goals & 5 assists in 18 PL matches - Gylfi Sigurdsson at 22 years old

7 goals & 6 assists in 14 PL matches - Philipe Coutinho at 25 years old

Naturally @nsno-chris, @sageyefc, @mikeh72 & @Connor will refuse to acknowledge any of this, and their subsequent silence is them admitting defeat.

 

[bluesb1970]

Could be wrong like, but I’m sure I read somewhere at the time that Sigurdsson had refuse to go to America with Swansea on their pre-season tour.

You’re right mate, he didn’t go, but Swansea didn’t let him go. He didn’t refuse.