2017/18 Gylfi Sigurdsson

[Papa Shango]

But he's not been a bad one either?

He was poor for the first few months, and then between December and March (his injury) was consistently a 7/10 performer. Worked hard, created chances, covered defensively for Martina, played on the left and had no support.

Nobody will say he covered himself in glory between August and November. But to dispute he didn't improve or gain consistency after that is equally wrong - as he blatantly did.

Rooney's performances suffered massively from March onwards as well. He was playing well in that deep role and had someone to link up with going forward, even though his goal threat had been diminished.

After Gylfi went off Rooney only had Walcott to aim for, and Walcott isn't the same type of player who is going to drop deep and link up. We missed Gylfi after his injury.

I think that's all fair to say?

I didn't say he had been bad?

This is exactly what I am saying. He was fairly average last season for us. That's it. There may be reasons for that, there may not be. I don't care about all that, they are all excuses. I'm not bothered about who was behind him, where he was playing etc, fact is he was very "meh" last season. 7/10 is purely your opinion of course.

He needs to step up next season. They all do.

Rooney's performance didn't change by the way. He was crap at the start of the season too, he just scored some goals to go with it.

 

[Moomin]

He is a mercenary.

 

[Papa Shango]

He is a mercenary.

Aren't they all?

 

[Efcjake]

You can make stats say anything you like.

Gerrard's most prolific season regarding assists (Never reached 10+ assists before) compared to Sigurdsson playing as a LWB at Swansea

Also to the people screaming ''HOW MANY WERE IN OPEN PLAY'' Keep in mind Gerrard's most amount of assists in a season prior to 2013/14 was 9.

In 2014/15 Gylfi Sigurdsson created 9 open play assists, 10 in total.

I'm also fairly sure he would have a lot more assists than just 13 if he played alongside Suarez, Coutinho & Prime Sturridge.

1177 fewer passes, 10 more chances, 4 more goals with his left foot.

How much would prime Gerrard cost today? Because it wasn't until he was past it when he started creating goals. Solely a goal scorer during his prime.

I'll never take anybody seriously who says we overpaid for Sigurdsson, we massively underpaid seeing as he was worth £150+ million for Swansea.

It's like he heard you through the internet pipes @Groucho

 

[BlueToff]

I'm not twisting it, you know I agree with you on a lot of stuff but my point was the defence you're making is totally separate to the actual point being made.

The reason we're talking about pre-season is because somebody claimed we couldn't really judge his performances from last year because he hadn't had a pre-season. I was saying he did have one, he just didn't play much in it, so while it might explain a slow start (as in 3-4 games while he got up to speed) it can hardly be said to have affected the entire season. If you don't disagree with that then we don't need to discuss the ins and outs of what did and didn't happen because we're on the same page.

Fair enough mate, didn't mean to be sensitive!

I definitely think it affected his season overall, but not to the extent where a bad performance in November could have been blamed on his lack of a pre-season.

My point is more that a lack of a full pre-season of games/intense training didn't help him hit the ground running. That poor form from August/September, combined with crap tactics/management, him being used in loads of different roles and then the team as a whole playing poorly - during a run against the best sides in the league - all didn't help him regain that form, even when he was 'match fit'. Again, I stress that he is to blame as well for that. But there's caveats - and the same goes for other players as well.

 

[BlueToff]

I didn't say he had been bad?

This is exactly what I am saying. He was fairly average last season for us. That's it. There may be reasons for that, there may not be. I don't care about all that, they are all excuses. I'm not bothered about who was behind him, where he was playing etc, fact is he was very "meh" last season. 7/10 is purely your opinion of course.

He needs to step up next season. They all do.

Rooney's performance didn't change by the way. He was crap at the start of the season too, he just scored some goals to go with it.

I wasn't meaning you had Papa, just meant it in terms of a general point.

He's not been really bad. Not been really good - 6/10 overall.

I think he was consistently decent between December and March. He was consistently poor earlier in the season. There's caveats to both sections as well.

Can't agree on Rooney thing mate. Not saying he was excellent by any stretch, but their link up had started to give us some semblance of control in games.

 

[Papa Shango]

I wasn't meaning you had Papa, just meant it in terms of a general point.

He's not been really bad. Not been really good - 6/10 overall.

I think he was consistently decent between December and March. He was consistently poor earlier in the season. There's caveats to both sections as well.

Can't agree on Rooney thing mate. Not saying he was excellent by any stretch, but their link up had started to give us some semblance of control in games.

He was giving the ball away in stupid areas and struggling to get through games. I didn't see a difference at all to be honest. Each to their own though.

Sigurdsson will be fine I'm sure.

 

[Efcjake]

Would bite someone's hand off for our 45 million back.

It's not that he's a bad player, he isn't.

He's just nowhere near value for money and is such an incredibly limited yet mildly effective player that by playing him you force the team to accomodate him rather than having him brining the best out of others on the pitch. From what we saw last year the rewards for accommodating him were not really worth it imo when DCL is out-producing him on the pitch.

Players in that 10 position should be capable of running the game. But he can't do that.

Players on the wing should be capable of beating a man with trickery or pace. But he can't do that.

What he can do he does well, but I still feel like he doesn't consistently make us a better team when he's on the pitch. Some of his passing last season was as infuriating as Barkley's could be.

 

[BlueToff]

He was giving the ball away in stupid areas and struggling to get through games. I didn't see a difference at all to be honest. Each to their own though.

Sigurdsson will be fine I'm sure.

West Ham home, Huddersfield home, Newcastle away, Swansea home, Leicester home, Palace home, Brighton home.

All games where they both linked up well and showed flashes of a combination.

 

[BlueToff]

Would bite someone's hand off for our 45 million back.

It's not that he's a bad player, he isn't.

He's just nowhere near value for money and is such an incredibly limited yet mildly effective player that by playing him you force the team to accomodate him rather than having him brining the best out of others on the pitch. From what we saw last year the rewards for accommodating him were not really worth it imo when DCL is out-producing him on the pitch.

Players in that 10 position should be capable of running the game. But he can't do that.

Players on the wing should be capable of beating a man with trickery or pace. But he can't do that.

What he can do he does well, but I still feel like he doesn't consistently make us a better team when he's on the pitch. Some of his passing last season was as infuriating as Barkley's could be.

I don't personally like the idea of a 10 in a 4-2-3-1 running the game though. It's too easy to bog them down in that system (see Barkley from 2014 to 2016 under Martinez).

No, a player in the 10 in that system should be the one linking play/scoring in-and-around the area. The player running the game should be one of the deeper players, with a sweeper next to them.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Would bite someone's hand off for our 45 million back.

It's not that he's a bad player, he isn't.

He's just nowhere near value for money and is such an incredibly limited yet mildly effective player that by playing him you force the team to accomodate him rather than having him brining the best out of others on the pitch. From what we saw last year the rewards for accommodating him were not really worth it imo when DCL is out-producing him on the pitch.

Players in that 10 position should be capable of running the game. But he can't do that.

Players on the wing should be capable of beating a man with trickery or pace. But he can't do that.

What he can do he does well, but I still feel like he doesn't consistently make us a better team when he's on the pitch. Some of his passing last season was as infuriating as Barkley's could be.

Whoa whoa whoa.... let's not be too hasty here!

 

[Moomin]

It isn't the fact that Sigurdsson himself missed pre-season, it's the fact that the other Everton players didn't spend their pre-season with him, adjusting to his playstyle, learning how to play off him, etc.



Mate we only won 3 out of our first 13 PL matches and were getting spanked in all competitions.

Beating Hadjuk Split & Ruzomberok doesn't change the fact that we lost our first 5 matches in the group stage & lost 7 of our first 13 PL games.



Mate we had Klaassen, Rooney & Davies putting in horror shows each week. Don't pretend like the football we weren't all over the place when we played against Stoke, City, Ruzomberok & Hadjuk Split.



Really? Because I'm pretty sure all of our wins at the start of the season were dire.

Our first good performances were against West Ham, Huddersfield & Swansea, which was when Sigurdsson finally found his form.



Just like he contributed to Tottenham's issues when he was wrongfully deployed as a left winger.

It doesn't change the fact that he was mostly immense for them, scored in two draws against Chelsea, assisted Bale's winning goal in Tottenham's only NLD win in over 4 years at the time, was Tottenham's best player in Europa League.

Even after his 'disastrous' time at Tottenham, Pochettino still was desperate to keep him:

He definitely didn't have a good season compared to his usual standards, but even at LW whether at Everton or Tottenham he was always good enough.



Unlike you of course, the individual who sits all day downplaying our best player. I'm sure chicks love that anti-Sigurdsson propaganda.

Once again conveniently ignoring all of those stats/facts twice in a row, yet you sit here all day posting opta comparison's between Gylfi's worst open play season & Barkley's best. Why are you such a coward around me? Are you too afraid to make any points around me knowing that you'll be put in your place?

He is average.

 

[Papa Shango]

West Ham home, Huddersfield home, Newcastle away, Swansea home, Leicester home, Palace home, Brighton home.

All games where they both linked up well and showed flashes of a combination.

Nah that was the power of Big Sam.

I don't want flashes! I want consistency!

 

[Everton_Gary]

Would bite someone's hand off for our 45 million back.

It's not that he's a bad player, he isn't.

He's just nowhere near value for money and is such an incredibly limited yet mildly effective player that by playing him you force the team to accomodate him rather than having him brining the best out of others on the pitch. From what we saw last year the rewards for accommodating him were not really worth it imo when DCL is out-producing him on the pitch.

Players in that 10 position should be capable of running the game. But he can't do that.

Players on the wing should be capable of beating a man with trickery or pace. But he can't do that.

What he can do he does well, but I still feel like he doesn't consistently make us a better team when he's on the pitch. Some of his passing last season was as infuriating as Barkley's could be.

Yes when a striker (who doesn't score.....) is out producing.....

The state of this place. DCL shouldn't be on the pitch, not even close to good enough

Gylfi will be just fine I'm sure. Needs to be played in his proper position and given a couple players around him that can actually play and score.....

 

[4737carlin]

Would bite someone's hand off for our 45 million back.

It's not that he's a bad player, he isn't.

He's just nowhere near value for money ......... .

Money again, forget the money, its a none issue, we had it to spend so the fee dosent matter, lets say we got him for 15m, that wont change his ability which is what counts. Besides look at what United paid us for Lukaku, they didnt get anyting close to value for money, clubs who have money to spend most of the time dont, as fans we need to get past this. I know where not use to spending those sums but main thing is we identified a player we wanted and got him, keep doing that and things will start to look good for us if we get the right player, and he is the right player if put in a decent side