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Handball by Onana

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I've just posted this in the match day thread and its relevant here as well

I'd like the referee to come out and explain why he gives a corner, then allows 5 seconds worth of abuse off about 6 City players to take place, then points to the spot and says pen

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Yea we aren't going to get that explanation
It's an autocracy and they don't care what we think about it
 
Realise I'm in the minority but I thought it was a pen. Deliberate or not he's swatted the ball down 5 yards from goal. I'd want it if it was for us, now whether we would actually be given it is a completely different conversation (we wouldnt)
 
Lino probably give it

That would be great if that was the case. Linesman 35yds away gives a pen, yet against Spurs a linesman let's us play on after a supposed foul from Gomes when he was about 15 yards away.

I don't see how it didn't go to VAR and everyone uses common sense and can see

1. He's less than 2 yards away
2. It wasn't a scoring opportunity as the ball was about to hit the bloody moon
 

That would be great if that was the case. Linesman 35yds away gives a pen, yet against Spurs a linesman let's us play on after a supposed foul from Gomes when he was about 15 yards away.

I don't see how it didn't go to VAR and everyone uses common sense and can see

1. He's less than 2 yards away
2. It wasn't a scoring opportunity as the ball was about to hit the bloody moon
If he didn't give it and it went to VAR its probably one of those that they don't overturn as clear and obvious which makes it more frustrating. Whatever he give at the time was going to stand
 
I honestly think it wouldn't be given if the other way round.
I try to remain non-biased on these decisions when I can, but it seems clear to me that if there is room for interpretation we end up on the wrong side of the decision far more often than not.
It wasn't a 100% pen because it is based on whether his arm was in a natural position or not. I think it was, you obviously think it wasn't. That's not 100% concurrence
No i dont think he could help it or get out of the way tbh and the ball was heading out of the stadium. I just get why it was given and i think if that was at the other end we would be saying the same.
 
Didn't like how the ref was influenced by City's protests. Fairly sure some rule was brought in about not harassing the ref. No idea if it still exists, the rules morph so much. Fairly sure Doucoure was booked not so long back for protesting something relatively politely.

The unnatural position description is open to all sorts of interpretation. Possibly deliberately to allow moody decisions.

Would not be surprised to see one similar (not necessarily in our games) not given later this week. Hopeless inconsistencies.
 
you misunderstand my point, on your logic, everytime it hits a hand it must be handball, unless there is intent, If he couldn't do anything about it, there cant be intent. That clearly isnt the case. Oh, it hit his shoulder.


but it directly hit his arm and it was raised. I get he couldnt move it but it stopped the direction of the ball. i think the rules need changing. i understand why it was given though and we would have been wanting a penalty at the other end if that was a city defender.
 
but it directly hit his arm and it was raised. I get he couldnt move it but it stopped the direction of the ball. i think the rules need changing. i understand why it was given though and we would have been wanting a penalty at the other end if that was a city defender.
Brilliant, you're right, I was wrong all along.
 

Didn't like how the ref was influenced by City's protests. Fairly sure some rule was brought in about not harassing the ref. No idea if it still exists, the rules morph so much. Fairly sure Doucoure was booked not so long back for protesting something relatively politely.

The unnatural position description is open to all sorts of interpretation. Possibly deliberately to allow moody decisions.

Would not be surprised to see one similar (not necessarily in our games) not given later this week. Hopeless inconsistencies.
Yep, he was booked by..........the very same referee last night who seemed to think it was ok to be harassed as it was Man City players doing the gobbing off.
 
but it directly hit his arm and it was raised. I get he couldnt move it but it stopped the direction of the ball. i think the rules need changing. i understand why it was given though and we would have been wanting a penalty at the other end if that was a city defender.
Spot on - it’s a pen as the current interpretation of the rules are but should never be a pen as the rules need changing- you can’t chop ur own arm off when trying to legitimately block a shot from one yard away and city are just lucky that ake’s shot was heading for row z. On target it would have hit onana’s body
 
but it directly hit his arm and it was raised. I get he couldnt move it but it stopped the direction of the ball. i think the rules need changing. i understand why it was given though and we would have been wanting a penalty at the other end if that was a city defender.
The direction of the ball was ending up in Stanley Park mate.

BTW the ref 5 yds away was giving a corner until , the linesman 30 yds away puts the flag accross his chest to say penalty.

All fans not just us would be calling for a pen , that goes with the territory.

Biggest clue is "was that intentional handball when challenging for a ball hit at pace from 1 yard away ? "
 
but it directly hit his arm and it was raised. I get he couldnt move it but it stopped the direction of the ball. i think the rules need changing. i understand why it was given though and we would have been wanting a penalty at the other end if that was a city defender.
If that happens in midfield there is no way a free kick is given.
It did not prevent a goal as the shot was ballooning well over the bar. It was 100% only given as a result of appeals and protestations by numerous City players who put pressure on the Ref.
 

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