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Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

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Take your word for it Mate, just going off the comments made by MPs like Cooper and Ellman. So they are being misquoted are they and the threatening emails are fiction.

I'd take those MPs seriously, and they've clearly had experiences of their own. If you have a group of people trying to organise in every part of the UK then you're going to get some fruit loops. Corbyn really has to stamp his authority and boot these people out of the party and ensure that they can't sculpt Momentum.

By and large though, Momentum (and I'm not a member - or planning to become one - but have had some involvement) are just a bunch of disaffected people. The types that you never see represented. Most of them represent the soft left in all honesty.

It's not hard left to be anti-austerity, pro-investment, pro-multi cultural.
 
If I may make a somewhat philosophical point here, as a non-alligned/non-affliated voter.

I was the first (and still, only) person in my family to go to university, and proceed to a non-traditional, white-collar career. Now, there are people from my background, who vote for all hues, and none, my leaning would be towards Labour, but my vote has floated around.

It just seems to me that with a rise in the general education of the population, together with the stunning impact of social media / internet, that it was inevitable that there would be at least a clamour, for a return to a party espousing traditional left-wing values, as relevant or not as they are to modern society.

As an ordinary voter, I at least welcome in principle any divergence from the grey consensus politics that has dominated since the rise of Thatcherism, and the corresponding shift to the middle-ground/centre-right, from Labour. There wasn't much difference to me, as a punter, between one-nation Toryism and the Blairite Labour Party.

I do think Corbyn is unelectable as it stands but his re-election does send a more important message as to the state of public discourse as it is currently. I recall Tony Benn saying many years ago that if voters had a simple choice between Tories implementing Tory policies and the Labour Party doing the same - they may as well vote Tory - better the devil you know and all that.

As it is now it will take an election defeat to remove Corbyn but the lesson is there for the Labour Party in the long-run - many people post the 2008 crash and outside of the usual (protest) voices want a clearly-espoused left-wing alternative to which they can identify with and get behind. The challenge for Labour is to become that alternative as a willing electorate surely exists - I still don't buy that the majority of people would not support progressive, egalitarian policies as opposed to the narrow and elitist offerings of the Tories. They do need the right face to project that though and Corbyn isn't it.

Not sure where the evidence for that statement is or the numbers of people you are claiming. Fact is Jeremy was voted leader by a majority of the LP members not a majority of the population so I fail to see how his success sends an important message as to the state of public discourse.
 
Take your word for it Mate, just going off the comments made by MPs like Cooper and Ellman. So they are being misquoted are they and the threatening emails are fiction.

I've known Louise Ellman she was the Labour Leader of Lancashire County Council. She is labour through and through, always looked out for those who needed help but is a very forthright and experienced politician. However, being Jewish and seeing at first hand the anti-semitism that now appears rife in the Labour party, she knows more than most how the party is being infiltrated and corrupted........she's earned the right to be heard......
 
Not sure where the evidence for that statement is or the numbers of people you are claiming. Fact is Jeremy was voted leader by a majority of the LP members not a majority of the population so I fail to see how his success sends an important message as to the state of public discourse.

The "John Peel mistake" - Circa 1969, John Peel is bemoaning how one of his favourite albums hasn't made the charts: "Everyone I know has got a copy!"

The reply: "No John, you know everyone who has got a copy."
 

I've known Louise Ellman she was the Labour Leader of Lancashire County Council. She is labour through and through, always looked out for those who needed help but is a very forthright and experienced politician. However, being Jewish and seeing at first hand the anti-semitism that now appears rife in the Labour party, she knows more than most how the party is being infiltrated and corrupted........she's earned the right to be heard......

This is the same Louise Ellman who stood up in the Commons and praised the IDF blowing up a quadraplegic man, two of his bodyguards and nine bystanders; an action that was so phenomenally successful that Hamas won and then remained in power in the Gaza Strip ever since.
 
ITV reported the defence secretary for labour his speech was altered by Corbyn over Trident - he went back stage troug his phone and punched the wall it looks like the olive branch has been broken alreadylol
You can,t trust Corbyn what an arsp hole he really is;)
 
This is the same Louise Ellman who stood up in the Commons and praised the IDF blowing up a quadraplegic man, two of his bodyguards and nine bystanders; an action that was so phenomenally successful that Hamas won and then remained in power in the Gaza Strip ever since.

Should we talk about Jeremy Corbyn and his links with the IRA and Hamas etc and the murder they have undertaken over the years.......or is it just a one way street......
 
ITV reported the defence secretary for labour his speech was altered by Corbyn over Trident - he went back stage troug his phone and punched the wall it looks like the olive branch has been broken alreadylol
You can,t trust Corbyn what an arsp hole he really is;)

I can't believe that the coward didn't walk on stage, tell everyone what he originally meant to say, then tell them what he was told to say by Corbyn........absolute cowards.......
 

I can't believe that the coward didn't walk on stage, tell everyone what he originally meant to say, then tell them what he was told to say by Corbyn........absolute cowards.......

Let's be perfectly blunt about it - whatever anyones opinion on Corbyn, the PLP have shown themselves to be a cowardly mess over this whole thing. They should have left Labour on Saturday en masse.

Career politicians the lot of them.
 
Let's be perfectly blunt about it - whatever anyones opinion on Corbyn, the PLP have shown themselves to be a cowardly mess over this whole thing. They should have left Labour on Saturday en masse.

Career politicians the lot of them.

And this is the worst part of it..........
 
I've known Louise Ellman she was the Labour Leader of Lancashire County Council. She is labour through and through, always looked out for those who needed help but is a very forthright and experienced politician. However, being Jewish and seeing at first hand the anti-semitism that now appears rife in the Labour party, she knows more than most how the party is being infiltrated and corrupted........she's earned the right to be heard......


How is anti-semitism rife in the Labour Party? Rife?
 

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