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Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

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Pienaar's gloves said:
Historically speaking, Corbyn has tended to be on the right side of these foreign policy debates and years later when the inquiry is done and dusted, Corbyn tends to be on of twenty MPs to have backed staying out of the war/conflict that went badly wrong.
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Because he always votes against. So like a stopped clock always being right twice a day, Corbyn will always be right if military action is fudged.

He isn't making those decisions based on logic - he's just perpetually protesting everything regardless.

Benn is spot on above. Yes, mistakes can be made, but that doesn't mean "let's not do anything", otherwise we'd constantly be a bunch of Chamberlains' asking for promissory notes.
 
Joey66 said:
No chance of trident going the trade Unions need that for a workforce Len Macdonald would scupper corbyn on that deffo nailed on too many jobs involved or you could just let corbyn build the submarines with no warheads has he proposed urm that suggest to me he is rubbish!
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Now that would be a stupid waste, like making a gun and having no bullets. Just a piece of scrap metal.

What is a waste IMO is the building of 2 aircraft carriers, the only use of these is to project military might far from home and then they would need a big screen of destroyers and frigates not to mention a covering submarine, thanks Gordon for these only cost upwards of £15 billion plus aircraft!
 
catcherintherye said:
There is very much an ethical issue at play with that. More importantly though there is a practical issue that there just isn't a space for that type of party anymore. The job of mediating between unions and management is no longer required at governmental level. Nor is there the money to make redistributive payments off the back off economic growth that characterised New Labour. This is a big part of why people didn't vote for them, as while they liked the policies they just weren't credible. Further emphasising a 90's approach will only make them look more unrealistic in their assessment.

Whether you like Corbyn or more pertinently like his policies is fair enough. I can understand why redistribution would be unpopular with some people. However at least there is an honesty there to see we will get money to redistribute through taxation as opposed to relying on a mythical growth.
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Yes but I hear what you say but Corbinism is Absolutism he expects the whole party to agree with the 5000 fanatics who like what he says when he is at a rally, the words i would have liked to hear from him was my door is always open at my office for your views, not guarded has they have been as sits on a cushion with his flip flops on eating his vegan diet!
A leader has to listen to all views of the party it has to be a broad church where is disagreement with him is approached he should not close people out or isolate them.
just heard Ken Livingstone sacked the now labour Chancellor John Macdonald on the GLC for over spending ?????
This coming from a guy who is a marxist and is going to propose borrowing 100 billion pound today?
A good leader has to manage his party when 80 % of them tell him he is not a good leader?????
Someone said to Michael Foot who was a great orator in the late 1970's after coming out of a rally in a debate were he was applauded to the rafters by a mass audience - do you know you well behind in the polls as a party what he stated have you not just witnessed that in that building - History looks to be repeating is self remember the word Absolutism you like what your supporters tell you sod anyone else within your own party who disagrees with your leadership!
 

just watched Johnsons speech, needs to learn to deliver it better, but the context of it I found very interesting and I broadly support most of it, in fact cant think of anything of the top of my head that I was dead against, surprised really on its quality, well done this from somebody quick to be a critic of him.
 
Toffeelover said:
Now that would be a stupid waste, like making a gun and having no bullets. Just a piece of scrap metal.

What is a waste IMO is the building of 2 aircraft carriers, the only use of these is to project military might far from home and then they would need a big screen of destroyers and frigates not to mention a covering submarine, thanks Gordon for these only cost upwards of £15 billion plus aircraft!
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Thats what Jezza proposed to keep jobs!
 
edge said:
just watched Johnsons speech, needs to learn to deliver it better, but the context of it I found very interesting and I broadly support most of it, in fact cant think of anything of the top of my head that I was dead against, surprised really on its quality, well done this from somebody quick to be a critic of him.
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John McDonnell? Or Alan Johnson?
 

Tubey said:
McDonnell's was a speech? I thought it was stand up comedy! "In the first 100 days of a Labour government..." hahahahaha
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Was like a Green party speech, can promise anything they like as they know they won't need to implement it as they won't win.

Need to do more than preach to the converted to get people on side.
 

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