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Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

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peteblue said:
50 years mate. 3 or 4 generations of kids, all of whom have lost out. So while we wait for some Utopian ideal that no one has been able to deliver in half a century, we should just carry on as before. The definition of Insanity is to do the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. When should we do something different ?......
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Pete - actual Labour have been in power for seven of those fifty years (its twenty if you count Blair and Brown, though on education they were no different from the Tories given that they brought in academies, effectively ended the grant system and brought about tuition fees), and for those seven years they actually did try and bring about sensible reform (expanding the university system, building schools*, increasing the number of teachers, decreasing class sizes etc) whilst maintaining the one key thing (the grant system) that allowed poor but academically gifted children to get on in life.

If you want to attack the waste of the last fifty years, there is only one party to blame for it.

* in a more sane way than via PFI
 

tsubaki said:
Pete - actual Labour have been in power for seven of those fifty years (its twenty if you count Blair and Brown, though on education they were no different from the Tories given that they brought in academies, effectively ended the grant system and brought about tuition fees), and for those seven years they actually did try and bring about sensible reform (expanding the university system, building schools*, increasing the number of teachers, decreasing class sizes etc) whilst maintaining the one key thing (the grant system) that allowed poor but academically gifted children to get on in life.

If you want to attack the waste of the last fifty years, there is only one party to blame for it.

* in a more sane way than via PFI
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Point taken but I'm not having that. It's twenty years or whatever of Labour Government. You can't do a piece of revisionism because you didn't like Blair (Education,education,education). Labour MP's were still in place and in power. I do however blame the Conservatives for not putting Grammar Schools back in place when they were in power though........
 

peteblue said:
Point taken but I'm not having that. It's twenty years or whatever of Labour Government. You can't do a piece of revisionism because you didn't like Blair (Education,education,education). Labour MP's were still in place and in power. I do however blame the Conservatives for not putting Grammar Schools back in place when they were in power though........
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It isn't revisionism; New Labour continued Major's policies (bringing in loans, getting rid of the grant) and trialled much of what the Tory-led coalition went on to do (academies, increasing tuition fees, PFI spending on schools). In terms of educational policy, New Labour and the Tories were much of a muchness (indeed had Blair got rid of Brown, they would probably be exactly the same). The policies were much different to Wilson or Callaghan.
 
peteblue said:
We criminally underfund Heart Disease, Cancer and a whole host of other things, but why have a separate Shadow Minister.......
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The NHS budget is £100BN. Just £12BN of that is spent on mental health. To me that is an absolute scandal.

Incidentally, 1 in 4 Britons will suffer from a mental illness at some point in their life.
 

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