Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

[Toffeelover]

There are plenty of folk who felt that the IRA were freedom fighters. It's fairly commonplace to shake hands with and find common ground with people if you're going to solve a conflict.

Do you think Blair et al (and the Major government) were in the wrong for conversing with the IRA to get a ceasefire and peace deal?

Let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

[orly]

There are plenty of folk who felt that the IRA were freedom fighters. It's fairly commonplace to shake hands with and find common ground with people if you're going to solve a conflict.

Do you think Blair et al (and the Major government) were in the wrong for conversing with the IRA to get a ceasefire and peace deal?

The biggest, false leap of logic going. You've made it impossible for people to debate things with you because fundamentally you don't understand what you are talking about.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

Let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.

That's fine, but I feel that you obviously and understandably think that the Good Friday agreement was a positive thing mate!

 

[orly]

Let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Very difficult to argue with someone who does 2 + 3 and comes up with green.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

The biggest, false leap of logic going. You've made it impossible for people to debate things with you because fundamentally you don't understand what you are talking about.

Go on, rather than criticising ambiguously, please explain how that is a big and false leap of logic.

 

[orly]

Go on, rather than criticising ambiguously, please explain how that is a big and false leap of logic.

What's the point, people have tried with you but you're so confused about some fairly fundamental stuff, there's no logical connect.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

What's the point, people have tried with you but you're so confused about some fairly fundamental stuff, there's no logical connect.

Go for it mate, I'd be interested to see your perspective.

Presently reads to me a bit like "You're wrong but I'm not going to tell you why, trust me."

 

[Toffeelover]

Very difficult to argue with someone who does 2 + 3 and comes up with green.

try it some time and perhaps you will be able to see another aspect to the various issues.

 

[magicjuan]

The biggest, false leap of logic going. You've made it impossible for people to debate things with you because fundamentally you don't understand what you are talking about.

Mo Mowlam was hailed as a political hero throughout the process and had the full support of the press, never mind the majority of parliament on both sides.

 

[orly]

try it some time and perhaps you will be able to see another aspect to the various issues.

Have a look in the aftermath of the Presidential election, I'm happy to see common ground.

What I don't see the point in doing is explaining something to someone who hasn't bothered to pursue or research the basic concepts.

'shaking hands' with a negotiating party is not always a tacit acceptance that their method had some value.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

Have a look in the aftermath of the Presidential election, I'm happy to see common ground.

What I don't see the point in doing is explaining something to someone who hasn't bothered to pursue or research the basic concepts.

'shaking hands' with a negotiating party is not always a tacit acceptance that their method had some value.

Difference between Blair's approach in 1997 onwards and Corbyn's in the previous decade being?

I see only that Blair had the power to do something about it and that Corbyn likes the idea of a united Ireland.

With Corbyn being a commited pacificst (to the point of huge derision), there's little to suggest he supports the IRA's methods any more than Tony Blair did.

The point previously of course being that Blair has not been vilified for shaking their hands but Corbyn has.

 

[tsubaki]

Difference between Blair's approach in 1997 onwards and Corbyn's in the previous decade being?

I see only that Blair had the power to do something about it and that Corbyn likes the idea of a united Ireland.

With Corbyn being a commited pacificst (to the point of huge derision), there's little to suggest he supports the IRA's methods any more than Tony Blair did.

The point previously of course being that Blair has not been vilified for shaking their hands but Corbyn has.

The only thing I would add to this superb post is that, for all his pro-IRA leanings, Corbyn never actually gave them all letters that were in essence "get out of jail free" cards, rendering all subsequent prosecutions null and void.

 

[Jib in lad]

 

[Clint Planet]

Funny, that.

 

[Jib in lad]

Funny, that.

Indeed.