Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

[Khalekan]

Hahaha. Some people are using Cameron as a stick to beat Corbyn with. Let's remind ourselves that Cameron, who was rejected by the electorate over the EU. The latest vote not the one in 2015. A general election should have been called on Friday 'in the national interest' and not to halt the civil war in the Tory party.

Is this possible, Hull?

I have read many times over the days since the Brexit con that one way to avoid it would be for the new PM to come back from Brussells with a better deal for Britain then call a snap election with a new Referendum on foot of it included in the manifesto.

But as I understand it, almost the first act of the Coalition was to introduce fixed term parliaments of five years duration so no PM could just call an election at a time of his or her choosing.

Is this nor the case?

 

[magicjuan]

I absolutely was not using Cameron as a stick to beat Corbyn with, I was making a point that the Conservative party are absolutely delighted that JC is taking every bit of attention away from their infighting, leadership election etc.

No he isn't. The PLP is. Stop blaming him for everything. It is beyond parody now. Everything they have touched has turned to cr@p, from the beginning when Brutus Watson went to Glasto and everything since has been handled incredibly badly. Rattles and prams.

 

[hullefc]

I absolutely was not using Cameron as a stick to beat Corbyn with, I was making a point that the Conservative party are absolutely delighted that JC is taking every bit of attention away from their infighting, leadership election etc.

The Tories are not, and I repeat not happy with Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party. Corbyn mentions things that the Tories, and some Labourite MPs don't want to hear. He is a thorn in their side and he will get his chance during the Chilcott debate. The vast majority of the PLP want the Chilcott report buried quickly so save their political careers. They fear Corbyn will not bury it as the public will not want it buried.

Cameron is part of the establishment that dislike left wing MPs. They hate them now and they hated the likes of Benn et al in the past, which is why the SDP left, to split the Labour Party rather than have Benn elected leader.

The infighting is caused by those in the PLP that don't want to listen to the membership. Just as sections of the Labour party never debates with the working class over what is really affecting them, and fight for their interests. Look at Corbyn's record in standing up to Blair/Brown, over their introduction of the bedroom tax, allowing the DWP to get nasty with the vulnerable, sick and disabled etc..

The plotters are planning to do an SDP if Corbyn remains leader. Absolutely treacherous. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

 

[jal123]

Listen I'll leave you to your lovely little unicorn and rainbow existence, under your dear leader. At least this thread is another that proves there's literally no point in discussing politics on a footy forum, so I won't anymore.

 

[1966efc]

Is this possible, Hull?

I have read many times over the days since the Brexit con that one way to avoid it would be for the new PM to come back from Brussells with a better deal for Britain then call a snap election with a new Referendum on foot of it included in the manifesto.

But as I understand it, almost the first act of the Coalition was to introduce fixed term parliaments of five years duration so no PM could just call an election at a time of his or her choosing.

Is this nor the case?

I think it's two thirds of the Commons which needs to vote for a dissolution before the end of the five year term. Not sure whether the Act has any special provision for its repeal.

 

[magicjuan]

Is this possible, Hull?

I have read many times over the days since the Brexit con that one way to avoid it would be for the new PM to come back from Brussells with a better deal for Britain then call a snap election with a new Referendum on foot of it included in the manifesto.

But as I understand it, almost the first act of the Coalition was to introduce fixed term parliaments of five years duration so no PM could just call an election at a time of his or her choosing.

Is this nor the case?

There is still the availability of a vote of no confidence in the government.

What should happen is the party that is first to go to brussels and cut a deal saying they would apply for EU membership on the existing terms as now and it would be a manifesto pledge, it can't be the tories if johnson gets it, and then go back to the people in a general election. Then art 50 can be invoked and the people get the chance to vote to rejoin before everything unravelled.
The democratic process is carried out, twice.

If it is as detrimental to the EU as claimed they would surely accomodate.

 

[hullefc]

Is this possible, Hull?

I have read many times over the days since the Brexit con that one way to avoid it would be for the new PM to come back from Brussells with a better deal for Britain then call a snap election with a new Referendum on foot of it included in the manifesto.

But as I understand it, almost the first act of the Coalition was to introduce fixed term parliaments of five years duration so no PM could just call an election at a time of his or her choosing.

Is this nor the case?

This may answer your question.

Section 2 of the Act also provides for two ways in which a general election can be held before the end of this five-year period:

• If the House of Commons resolves "That this House has no confidence in Her Majesty's Government", an early general election is held, unless the House of Commons subsequently resolves "That this House has confidence in Her Majesty's Government". This second resolution must be made within fourteen days of the first.
• If the House of Commons, with the support of two-thirds of its total membership (including vacant seats), resolves "That there shall be an early parliamentary general election".

In either of these two cases, the Monarch (on the recommendation of the prime minister) appoints the date of the new election by proclamation. Parliament is then dissolved 25 working days before that date".

Whether the people were hoodwinked or not, as we always are during elections, they have indicated that they have no faith in those that wanted to remain i.e the majority in Parliament. In other words, Parliament doesn't have any legitimacy amongst the people. Cameron inferred to Cromwell during PMQT, who led a rebellion due to the King's Parliament having no legitimacy. Neither does this one.

 

[tsubaki]

I absolutely was not using Cameron as a stick to beat Corbyn with, I was making a point that the Conservative party are absolutely delighted that JC is taking every bit of attention away from their infighting, leadership election etc.

er - Cameron called for Corbyn to quit.

 

[Milk]

VOTE LOONY

Our time has come!

 

[Toffeelover]

Hahaha. Some people are using Cameron as a stick to beat Corbyn with. Let's remind ourselves that Cameron, who was rejected by the electorate over the EU. The latest vote not the one in 2015. A general election should have been called on Friday 'in the national interest' and not to halt the civil war in the Tory party.

Wrong, it was the remain camp and it's followers who were rejected and that included Corbyn.

 

[Toffeelover]

There is still the availability of a vote of no confidence in the government.

What should happen is the party that is first to go to brussels and cut a deal saying they would apply for EU membership on the existing terms as now and it would be a manifesto pledge, it can't be the tories if johnson gets it, and then go back to the people in a general election. Then art 50 can be invoked and the people get the chance to vote to rejoin before everything unravelled.
The democratic process is carried out, twice.

If it is as detrimental to the EU as claimed they would surely accomodate.

What are the "existing terms"?

 

[magicjuan]

What are the "existing terms"?

whatever terms exist at the moment between the UK and EU.

 

[Toffeelover]

whatever terms exist at the moment between the UK and EU.

That mate is a cop out. If we did not that the likes of Juncker would have us over a barrel and keep on kicking.

 

[tsubaki]

Wrong, it was the remain camp and it's followers who were rejected and that included Corbyn.

Cameron called the referendum, was its most prominent spokesman, decided (with Osborne) what areas it would be fought over, negotiated how the "debates" would look and ran the campaign (Corbyn was clearly detached from it and ran a virtually separate one). He bears the lions share of the blame for its failure.

 

[peteblue]

Funny enough, I thought Corbyn had his best day at PMQ's today......before Cameron told him to go.......


This is all a bit surreal now. The Labour party is royally screwed and I blame all of you Corbyn supporters and those that said how wonderful he would be, even though it was the easiest call to see that he would be a shambles.......but then again, any man who can suggest having trident but it having no weapons, or thinking he can lead a political party that refuses to follow him must know something.........