Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

[Blues Harp]

It was part of the Tory manifesto and was welcomed by the people. There was already dissatisfaction with EU prior to that election. In keeping with pledge the referendum was called by him because he was the Prime Minister. IT could have been anyone in Government if they were the PM at that time. You and Hull are consumed with hatred for DC and cannot see the wider picture. The fact is the vote was called for, as I see it you were in the remain camp and are upset. So time to throw toys out of the pram because it did not go your way but it did for 52% of the people.

The referendum was called because cameron was terrified of ukip taking votes away from his party at the election - it worked in the short term ie the tories won unexpectedly but the vote on thursday was won on lies and hatred. i was tempted myself to vote for leave for the same reasons as Dennis Skinner but in the end reluctantly voted the other way. how dare you use the toys out of the pram argument - tell me what is the "wider picture" ? Other than telling EU nationals to "go home " ?

 

[roydo]

The collapse of any form of opposition to the Tory government, with what is beginning to to appear to be irreversible damage, is worrying.

The collapse of any form of opposition is always worrying. Whether its left, right, yellow or green imo.

All governments have to be held to account, not by some idealist serial politicians, but by the parliamentary process.

 

[tsubaki]

The absolute madman. Crashing the Labour party with no survivors.

You know who Hodges is, right?

The people who will split the party are his mates.

 

[Groucho]

Fair point...But that?

She'll end up being his winnie mandela if he doesn't jib it soon enough.

Hang on a mo mate, no need to call her 'that'.

 

[magicjuan]

The collapse of any form of opposition is always worrying. Whether its left, right, yellow or green imo.

All governments have to be held to account, not by some idealist serial politicians, but by the parliamentary process.

I see this everywhere now... 28 years ago

 

[Seanjd]

Just DON'T vote eagle in ffs....She's a garbage constituency MP as well as a garbage labour front bench MP.

No,no,no,no,no,no,no,no.....Oh, ok then, yes.

She has absolutely demolished Gideon a fair few times in the commons though.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Hang on a mo mate, no need to call her 'that'.

Ain't worthy of any respect, mate.

Hypocritical racist.

She has absolutely demolished Gideon a fair few times in the commons though.

Oh, well that deserves an honour or something, I'm sure.

Gidiot ffs. A 7 year old kid stumped him.

 

[tsubaki]

Exactly.

The PLP - consists of people - ELECTED to Westminster by members of the ELECTORATE.

What more a mandate can they have!?!??!? FFS

Jesus H Christ.

Look, I will make this as simple as possible for you. MPs are elected in order to represent all the members of their constituency. They are expected to do this to the best of their ability. If sufficient numbers of them come together that they can beat the rest of them, the person in charge of them gets the chance to form a government. If that happens because of an election, then those MPs have a mandate from the electorate to do what they have said they are going to do.

None of those MPs have a mandate from their electorate to get rid of their leader, unless you can find evidence that people stood for election as MPs on that basis. Just because they are elected MPs, that does not mean that they have a mandate to do whatever it is they decide to do. They don't even have a mandate from their CLPs.

All the PLP is is a group of MPs, all of whom were elected after saying they were the Labour candidate (or Co-op candidate). It does not have a mandate itself, nor does it represent anything other than itself.

 

[Groucho]

Hypocritical racist.

You'll have to remind me on that one.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

You'll have to remind me on that one.

Youtube 'Diane Abbott owned' and take your pick....There's enough of them.

I posted one earlier in (this?) thread, but here's another.

 

[tsubaki]

So Corbyn has gone from having no support from the PLP, to having no support from the PLP and having his speeches covered live on the news channels.

That coup was really well planned.

 

[hullefc]

So the PLP does not seem to represent the Labour Party membership, but it does represent the wider electorate, who voted for them?

So to solve that, the Labour membership want/should select every Labour candidate in every constituency?

Or have I missed something?

The wider electorate voted against many in the PLP over the EU vote.

 

[rascal]

It's sadly obvious now that Jeremy Corbyn means more to his fan boys and girls than the country means to them. I do not pay my membership fee for this, and am having to seriously reconsider my membership. It is a sad day for me personally, but the deluded have won.

 

[hullefc]

Exactly.

The PLP - consists of people - ELECTED to Westminster by members of the ELECTORATE.

What more a mandate can they have!?!??!? FFS

Jesus H Christ.

Those standing for parliament in the Labour Party are put their by the constituency party and then put forward for election.

 

[tsubaki]

Clive Lewis, the new Shadow Defence Secretary, sums it up nicely:

“I think, speaking to people in the parliamentary Labour party, everyone is desperate for a resolution to this, but I think it’s not acceptable for 170 people to dictate who should be on that ballot paper when there are hundreds of thousands of people who want him on there.”