Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

[tsubaki]

So the PLP does not seem to represent the Labour Party membership, but it does represent the wider electorate, who voted for them?

So to solve that, the Labour membership want/should select every Labour candidate in every constituency?

Or have I missed something?

The PLP doesn't represent or have a mandate for anything.

Individual MPs do represent their constituencies and have a mandate to do that from their electorate. You would hope that the electorate would expect their MP to work diligently, especially when the sh*t hits the fan as it has these past few days and the country is in a very real crisis. The last thing I think most people would be wanting them to do what they have been doing.

As for your second point, the local Labour membership does technically select every Labour candidate in every constituency, though over the past couple of decades the centre has fixed selections and parachuted in various people who do not share similar experiences to those who they represent; hence the disconnect between the party and its MPs that is so obvious now.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Just DON'T vote eagle in ffs....She's a garbage constituency MP as well as a garbage labour front bench MP.

No,no,no,no,no,no,no,no.....Oh, ok then, yes.

 

[roydo]

The PLP doesn't represent or have a mandate for anything.

Individual MPs do represent their constituencies and have a mandate to do that from their electorate. You would hope that the electorate would expect their MP to work diligently, especially when the sh*t hits the fan as it has these past few days and the country is in a very real crisis. The last thing I think most people would be wanting them to do what they have been doing.

As for your second point, the local Labour membership does technically select every Labour candidate in every constituency, though over the past couple of decades the centre has fixed selections and parachuted in various people who do not share similar experiences to those who they represent; hence the disconnect between the party and its MPs that is so obvious now.

Its a mess, that is for certain.

All Governments need a viable opposition, whether you agree with them or not. I mean, if they trigger a new leadership vote, and Corbyn stands, he will win. That, with the make up of the current PLP, is not a viable opposition. (And I know, we barely have a viable Government at the moment).

Bonkers really.

 

[Tubey]

The PLP doesn't represent or have a mandate for anything.

Individual MPs do represent their constituencies and have a mandate to do that from their electorate. You would hope that the electorate would expect their MP to work diligently, especially when the sh*t hits the fan as it has these past few days and the country is in a very real crisis. The last thing I think most people would be wanting them to do what they have been doing.

As for your second point, the local Labour membership does technically select every Labour candidate in every constituency, though over the past couple of decades the centre has fixed selections and parachuted in various people who do not share similar experiences to those who they represent; hence the disconnect between the party and its MPs that is so obvious now.

Erm... what?

 

[tsubaki]

Erm... what?

Sorry - do you think the PLP has a mandate from the electorate and represents them, then? As opposed to the individual MPs who comprise its membership?

 

[SNova]

The absolute madman. Crashing the Labour party with no survivors.

 

[Tubey]

Sorry - do you think the PLP has a mandate from the electorate and represents them, then? As opposed to the individual MPs who comprise its membership?

Ahh get what you mean now.

They're by and large one and the same though.

 

[Tubey]

The absolute madman. Crashing the Labour party with no survivors.

It's his ultimate protest - doing so from a position of power.

As you say, he's an ideological madman.

 

[1966efc]

There's no happy answer to Labour's problems. If Corbyn stays, it'll be a protracted battle leaving the field wide open to the Tories. If he goes, one part of the wider movement will feel betrayed whether it's the idealists or the social democrats.

Ultimately, doubt it really matters who steers the Titanic. The result will be the same.

 

[Toffeelover]

So the PLP does not seem to represent the Labour Party membership, but it does represent the wider electorate, who voted for them?

So to solve that, the Labour membership want/should select every Labour candidate in every constituency?

Or have I missed something?

No, that is what Corbyn was edging towards.

 

[Blues Harp]

Why should the 55% majority of members leave and join another party? Surely if the MP's are not happy with the direction of the party and the leader their membership elected they should leave and form a new party?
Why do a handful of wealthy millionaires get to override the will of hundreds of thousands of ordinary hard working people who pay their salary?

Superb post ... got it in one

 

[Mrk]

This is all getting very sad, even for someone ideologically quite far away from the Labour party like myself.

Whether right or wrong, he simply just has to go now, because if he's still Leader when the new Tory leader gets elected, they'll immediately call a general election and trounce an infighting, weak and unpopular Labour party, which would be a laugh, but it'd also be very bad for democracy, as governments with weak opposition do stupid things.

 

[bizzaro]

The absolute madman. Crashing the Labour party with no survivors.

Unreal.

 

[bizzaro]

The PLP doesn't represent or have a mandate for anything.

Individual MPs do represent their constituencies and have a mandate to do that from their electorate. You would hope that the electorate would expect their MP to work diligently, especially when the sh*t hits the fan as it has these past few days and the country is in a very real crisis. The last thing I think most people would be wanting them to do what they have been doing.

As for your second point, the local Labour membership does technically select every Labour candidate in every constituency, though over the past couple of decades the centre has fixed selections and parachuted in various people who do not share similar experiences to those who they represent; hence the disconnect between the party and its MPs that is so obvious now.

Erm... what?

Exactly.

The PLP - consists of people - ELECTED to Westminster by members of the ELECTORATE.

What more a mandate can they have!?!??!? FFS

Jesus H Christ.

 

[PhilM]

This is all getting very sad, even for someone ideologically quite far away from the Labour party like myself.

The collapse of any form of opposition to the Tory government, with what is beginning to to appear to be irreversible damage, is worrying.