Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

[Yorkie]

I'd vote for Corbyn tomorrow
Or silent bob.

 

[Alan Whittle]

How exactly do you represent the people without being elected?
Once elected, you would also be representing "guardianistas" "latte swilling new labourites" and " moneyed careerists". They, of course, also being part of "the people". Unless of course, some people are more equal than others in your Orwellian example.

 

[peteblue]

At least the Labour Party have waited until after the referendum to rip themselves apart in public and get a new leader, the Tories used the referendum campaign itself for that.

Corbyn is a godsend to the conservatives. The EU vote has left them split but good old Jezza has managed to turn the spotlight onto Labour. The Tories meanwhile will now quietly reassemble while 'Jexit' dominates the headlines.......

 

[dholliday]

Based on what? A war cry? Really? That was the price he paid for his conscience and soul.

That speech was actually evil.

It has become abundantly clear, over the past two months, that Corbyn does not resonate with the voting public. You must realise that Corbyn would not win a general election.

Give him a General Election. Miliband had one, so did Brown. They lost. Corbyn deserves one crack too.

 

[ToffeeTim]

That speech was actually evil.




Give him a General Election. Miliband had one, so did Brown. They lost. Corbyn deserves one crack too.

Whether or not he deserves a general election based on his backing from the membership I'm not quite sure. But what is clear is that he would lose very badly. I'm struggling to think of a labour government this far to the left that has won an election? All those that have won were more center left.

 

[Tubey]

That speech was actually evil.

Because he wanted to destroy a terrorist organisation?

Shame on him for that like...

Evil hahaha

 

[dholliday]

But what is clear is that he would lose very badly. I'm struggling to think of a labour government this far to the left that has won an election? All those that have won were more center left.

How is it clear? I keep seeing this but those May elections aren't proof enough for me, especially considering Miliband and Brown had similar hiccups on the way to their GE.

Take away Blair's tory-lite and you have to go back 40 years to the last time Labour won an election.

Give Jeremy a chance at least.

 

[ToffeeTim]

How is it clear? I keep seeing this but those May elections aren't proof enough for me, especially considering Miliband and Brown had similar hiccups on the way to their GE.

Take away Blair's tory-lite and you have to go back 40 years to the last time Labour won an election.

Give Jeremy a chance at least.

Exactly. That's why I think he would lose badly. It's been proven that Britain is not a hugely left wing country. Will veer somewhat to the left with a suitable leader (which blair ultimately was not I accept) and some good policies, but is not going to vote for Corbyn in a million years. You win general elections by appealing across the board.

I can't think of a government which was elected on a platform like Jeremy Corybn's.

 

[The Mighty Quint]

Another shadow cabinet member has resigned...Gloria De Piero

Part of her resignation letter to Corbyn.

"I have always enjoyed a warm personal relationship with you and I want to thank you for the opportunity to serve in your shadow cabinet. I accepted that invitation because I thought it was right to support you in your attempt to achieve the Labour victory the country so badly needs.

I do not believe you can deliver that victory at a general election, which may take place in a matter of months. I have been contacted by many of my members this weekend and It is clear that a good number of them share that view and have lost faith in your leadership".

 

[dholliday]

Because he wanted to destroy a terrorist organisation?

Shame on him for that like...

Evil hahaha

yeah very funny...that speech encouraged more of this:

Nearly 90 Percent Of People Killed In Recent Drone Strikes Were Not The Target

41 men targeted but 1,147 people killed:

drone strikes kill innocents 90% of the time

 

[Tubey]

yeah very funny...that speech encouraged more of this:

Nearly 90 Percent Of People Killed In Recent Drone Strikes Were Not The Target

41 men targeted but 1,147 people killed:

drone strikes kill innocents 90% of the time

Yes, and he acknowledges that in his speech, if you actually listened to it.

He's a pragmatist - he said he was aware airstrikes kill civilians, but the aim isn't to do so. Meanwhile, ISIS were butchering people with the aim to kill civilians and burying them in mass graves.

Also, at the time we already did airstrikes in Iraq; Benn's argument was that the border with Syria no longer existed, so we should expand them across to Syria to make the airstrikes effective instead of futile.

I agreed with every word of that speech, not because I'm "evil" and want violence, but because I recognise that sometimes things need to be done for the greater good - and the destruction of ISIS would potentially save many more lives and future conflict than sitting passively and letting ISIS run free would.

 

[Tubey]

Exactly. That's why I think he would lose badly. It's been proven that Britain is not a hugely left wing country. Will veer somewhat to the left with a suitable leader (which blair ultimately was not I accept) and some good policies, but is not going to vote for Corbyn in a million years. You win general elections by appealing across the board.

I can't think of a government which was elected on a platform like Jeremy Corybn's.

Absolutely spot on.

 

[dholliday]

he said he was aware airstrikes kill civilians, but the aim isn't to do so. Meanwhile, ISIS were butchering people with the aim to kill civilians and burying them in mass graves.

Also, at the time we already did airstrikes in Iraq; Benn's argument was that the border with Syria no longer existed, so we should expand them across to Syria to make the airstrikes effective instead of futile.

I agreed with every word of that speech, not because I'm "evil" and want violence, but because I recognise that sometimes things need to be done for the greater good - and the destruction of ISIS would potentially save many more lives and future conflict than sitting passively and letting ISIS run free would.

They got you hook, line and sinker.

 

[dholliday]

Exactly. That's why I think he would lose badly. It's been proven that Britain is not a hugely left wing country. Will veer somewhat to the left with a suitable leader (which blair ultimately was not I accept) and some good policies, but is not going to vote for Corbyn in a million years. You win general elections by appealing across the board.

Aye, you have a point. That's why the Tories always get in, it's what the people want.

I can't think of a government which was elected on a platform like Jeremy Corybn's.

Not in the UK but a few spanish-speaking countries have gone that way.

 

[Boss_Blue]

a man after my own heart x

fight the good fight, friend

Koff lad.

fine words but a fantasy...always has been

That doesn't mean that we have to accept it.

That speech was actually evil.

That speech was fantastically delivered and received a rapturous reception from both the Tories and large swathes of Labour as well - that in itself should raise alarm bells.

Dissect the content and I'm inclined to agree with you - I'm not anti-war for the sake of it and no doubt there are scenarios in which it is the correct course.

We have however shown ourselves to be spectacularly poor at achieving the desired results from this course of action both from a humanitarian and political viewpoint.

In short, koff Benn.

Give him a General Election. Miliband had one, so did Brown. They lost. Corbyn deserves one crack too

Agreed.

Because he wanted to destroy a terrorist organisation?

Shame on him for that like...

Evil hahaha

No, because he wasn't arsed about the continued havoc being wrought upon the region.

*bomb the middle east, that'll sort out the problem

*problem intensifies

*bomb the middle east, that'll sort out the problem

Yes, and he acknowledges that in his speech, if you actually listened to it.

Oh well that's okay then.