Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

[rascal]

Based on what? A war cry? Really? That was the price he paid for his conscience and soul.

Benn has something about him that Corbyn simply doesn't have.

At a time of crisis, which we face at the moment, I simply have no confidence in Corbyn's ability, I do have more confidence in Benn, and I imagine that would be reciprocated throughout the country. Though Benn certainly wouldn't be my first pick. The fact is that minus the fruitloops, myself included, the country as a whole does not like a variation of more than a couple of degrees either to left or right. The middle ground is king.

 

[magicjuan]

Yeah but Martinez wasn't elected democratically. Corbyn was. He will have no chance if the decision is not respected particularly by MPs who themselves are only in a job for the same reason. Can we all now just decide not to abide by any policy or law we disagree with? Ignore and undermine those we dislike?

Hilary Benn and others should get on with the job, or shut up and let others get on with the job, or go and start/join the political party that is closer to their own convictions or that gives them a greater chance of achieving their personal ambitions.

They were elected to carry out the will of the people not to impose their will on everyone else.........

Exactly. There seems to be a backlash against democracy at the moment. What do people actually crave, a dictatorship?

 

[magicjuan]

I can tell you are just an anachist. You're against any form of government. You just want to oppose everything.

Much like Corbyn.


Hilary Benn actually believes in government.

He's a politician I respect. I can't respect Corbyn

You can tell jack matey. I believe in democracy. Benn doesn't.

Do you actually think Corbyn is responsible for brexit?

The fact you respect someone who doesn't respect the wishes of the majority would tell me you're a fascist.

 

[hullefc]

There is a section of the Labour party that has constantly refused to engage politically with the working class. They just can't stand the thought of talking to people that may hold 'views' they don't like - Gordon Brown's 'bigoted women'. This has opened the door for the likes of UKIPesque views to fester and grow and not to be challenged. Hilary Benn is an opportunist careerist politician who only got where he is on the back of his dad. Like Kinnock's son.

This is a re-run of the SDP split in the 1980s because they can't stand the thought of a 'left wing' Labour government/opposition. Tristam Hunt's another one. He was blaming Corbyn for not getting the working class to vote to remain. But his Stoke on Trent constituency had one of the highest votes to leave. He needs to look in the mirror to see who was partly to blame for not engaging politically with the working class.

 

[magicjuan]

Benn has something about him that Corbyn simply doesn't have.

At a time of crisis, which we face at the moment, I simply have no confidence in Corbyn's ability, I do have confidence in Benn, and I imagine that would be reciprocated throughout the country. The fact is that minus the fruitloops, myself included, the country as a whole does not like a variation of more than a couple of degrees either to left or right. The middle ground is king.

Like organising a coup as a distraction pre Chilcott? As someone who is passionate about war and spilled blood he fits the Blairite model perfectly, now there's loyalty for you...

 

[rascal]

Like organising a coup as a distraction pre Chilcott? As someone who is passionate about war and spilled blood he fits the Blairite model perfectly, now there's loyalty for you...

It has become abundantly clear, over the past two months, that Corbyn does not resonate with the voting public. You must realise that Corbyn would not win a general election.

 

[tonyhorne]

Bold line is it in a nutshell. And that's the point - they can't carry out the will of the people if the leader doesn't represent the will of the people.

And he doesn't. Outside a few hard left wingers and hipster student, Corbyn has zero support and zero chance in a GE.

How do you carry out the will of the people if you can't attain a position to do so?

I preferred it when you just "liked" posts. Less hassle.

Until Corbyn stands as leader in a general election we cannot know whether he has a majority support (or as close to one as the system allows) of the people. At the moment the party he is in has given him a mandate to prepare for this test. Everyone else in the party should back the democratic decision and, at the very least, not make it more difficult for him.

At least that is my view.

Other points of view are available.

Some say that we get the politicians we deserve.........

 

[rascal]

Anyway, half the shadow cabinet will be resigning this morning.

 

[magicjuan]

It has become abundantly clear, over the past two months, that Corbyn does not resonate with the voting public. You must realise that Corbyn would not win a general election.

So who decides? The uppity detached, self centred, careerist members of the Westminster PLP? Or the rank and file?

As I've said, one of the fallouts from Thursday is a lot of people suddenly don't like democracy if it doesn't work for them.

 

[The Mighty Quint]

He's digging in the bitch, just go FFS, if you stayed a 100 years Labour would never win an Election under you.

 

[magicjuan]

Anyway, half the shadow cabinet will be resigning this morning.

Good. They can form SDP MK2, therefore handing the tories permanent residence at Downing street, no proportional representation you see....

 

[Boss_Blue]

I can tell you are just an anachist. You're against any form of government. You just want to oppose everything.

Much like Corbyn.


Hilary Benn actually believes in government.

He's a politician I respect. I can't respect Corbyn

Damo doesn't like Corbyn?

That'll do for me.

 

[rascal]

So who decides? The uppity detached, self centred, careerist members of the Westminster PLP? Or the rank and file?

As I've said, one of the fallouts from Thursday is a lot of people suddenly don't like democracy if it doesn't work for them.

We're not just responsible to ourselves, we're responsible to the country.

 

[1966efc]

Have said it before but will say it again: whether it's Corbyn or A N Other, it'll be virtually impossible for Labour to win more than 200 seats in the new 600 seat House that will have been introduced before the next election.

Part of the reason for that is that an unholy mix of idealogues and Hampstead / Islington establishment figures have lost the art of understanding Labour's core support ... or rather it's former core support who have either stopped voting or switched to the Tories & Ukip. 29% of 2015 Labour voters say they'll either abstain or vote otherwise next time. 29%!

And this famous tweet from the Labour M P for South Islington helps explain why ...

 

[Boss_Blue]

they can't carry out the will of the people if the leader doesn't represent the will of the people.

It has become abundantly clear, over the past two months, that Corbyn does not resonate with the voting public. You must realise that Corbyn would not win a general election.

You don't know that.