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Holgate Racially Abused By Firmino - The Guardian
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part time fan
Player Valuation: £50k
Jeez, you're a sensitive soul.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Counter-intuitive.
Marius57
Player Valuation: £60m
If someone called me a son of a b at work and it was seen by management, other colleagues, customers, and the rest of the world, I’d expect them to be reprimanded for it. I’d expect it even if it wasn’t seen by the rest of the world and only seen by one other person. (Unless it was said by a colleague im friends with and in jest - I can 99.99% confirm Firminho did not say it in jest)
joey_macmo
Player Valuation: £35m
Got really weird in here didn’t it, some people seem to know an awful lot about Liverpool’s former racism charges.
Do people in your work spit on the floor? Lunge at other people 2 footed? Take their tops off when happy?
I mean if your gonna compare the footy to normal workplaces...........
Marius57
Player Valuation: £60m
I’ve actually seen all of those things at my work, with the first two aimed at me.
Walk around a city centre, and you will see people spitting on the floor everywhere, it’s not nice but i happens. The 2 footed lunge could be considered as part and parcel of the game, however usually goes rightly punished.
In summer, you will see numerous people walking around topless in this country, and it’s allowed to happen.
Abuse shouldn’t be acceptable anywhere. And at the end of the day it is a place of work. If I swear in a grass roots game, I would get warned/carded/sent off. Especially if t was directed to the ref. Why should professionals be treated differently?
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
Got and call a female work colleague a the language Firmino used though, and if she reports it to HR see what happens. I agree re the rest mate,but it's misogyny plain and simple and you'd be out on a limb.
Well ive no problem with Colgate smile going a bit mental after he got launched into the stands myself, the issue I personally have is the racial abuse, if there was any.
Viennablue
Player Valuation: £1m
What if you’d just pushed your colleague down the stairs for little or no reason? I think then the disciplinary committee might take anything your colleague said to be a “in the heat of the moment” comment and nothing/very little would be done about it. Whereas you would receive a bigger punishment for doing something that could cause actual harm.
Come on mate? “Son of a b” in Spanish or any other language is absolutely fine on a football pitch. If you lip read what players say you’ll find someone calls the ref something worse every single week. I’ve absolutely no problem with the narcos insult. Is it generally ok for real life? No. It is ok at a top level football game in context of other things that are said? Absolutely.
The difference is when racist/homophobic/sexist/xenophobic/sectarian etc comments are made. This is not ok. An investigation is being carried out. It will not be swept under the carpet. A liverpool player was banned for a possibly similar incident a few years ago. He came from a similar part of the world so regional excuses will not wash. If he’s guilty and someone else beside the 2 of them heard it then he’ll be banned.
I'm not quite sure it's the same. Race, religion, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, disability would all be covered as hate speech but the words he's clearly used don't fall into that category (unless racist abuse has been used).
As for a ban based on what he's said - I'd be very surprised if the FA banned him for something that is said every week in the EPL.
joey_macmo
Player Valuation: £35m
“Pushed him down the stairs for no reason”
Hahahahahaha that’s a comment straight from Liverpool F.C. twitterati that mate
It depends if what you said was racist. And pushing someone down the stairs at work is not quite the same as what Holgate did is it?
Viennablue
Player Valuation: £1m
Did the push not come before the comments from Firmino? If the push came first (and the echo story I read claims it did), then the son of a b comment is entirely justified. Obviously a racist comment isn’t.
And it depends how many stairs. At my work there is a short staircase near the entrance with just 2 steps. If you pushed someone down that they’d probably be fine. But it might cause them to fall over and they could say something because they were angry about it.
Come on? Yes, pushing someone down a normal flight of stairs isn’t the same as what Holgate did. But calling someone a son of a b in the middle of an office isn’t the same as what Firmino did either is it?
Do you know what I think the big problem here is. No one really gives a sh1t whether anything racist was said. No one really cares how it made Holgate feel, or if there is a wider problem in the game. You/other fans just want to see a Liverpool player banned and see Klopp have to answer questions on it in the press conference for a cheap laugh. I’ll admit that would be mildly amusing, but it wouldn’t solve anything.
They’d still be miles better than us. Plus, just our Everton luck, his first back from his ban would probably be the derby and he’d score a 93rd minute winner.
I think a lot of people care if something racist was said and more to the point, the majority of fans on this site would find something racist said by one of our players equally as bad as a Liverpool player. I couldn't care less what Klopp thinks and Liverpool have not publicly backed him so there is no climb down.
The whole point is that if one of our players was racially abused its disgraceful and has no place anywhere in modern life.
The rest of your rambling about pushing people down stairs is nonsense.
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