Holgate Racially Abused By Firmino - The Guardian

[Viennablue]

“Pushed him down the stairs for no reason”

Hahahahahaha that’s a comment straight from Liverpool F.C. twitterati that mate

As an Everton fan the push from Holgate was funny. However, I fully believe Holgate knew exactly what he was doing. Admittedly he didn’t no Firminho would go over the advertising boards in such a dramatic fashion.

Could firminho have been seriously hurt? Yes. The chances of that happening were reasonably low. It was going to get a reaction though wasn’t it? In my opinion son of a b is fine, anything racist isn’t.

The “pushing down the stairs” comment was only to debate the previous “if someone called me a son of a b in the office” comment. Neither are the same as what Holgate and firminho did. That’s my point. That’s why I later went on to explain that being a professional footballer and working in an office are quite different.

A lot of RS fans do chat a load of wham on social media. However, a lot of wham has also been chatted in this thread including the following:

Conspiracy theories
Double standards
Cover ups
Institutional accepted racism at LFC
Etc etc etc...

 

[maccavennie]

Did the push not come before the comments from Firmino? If the push came first (and the echo story I read claims it did), then the son of a b comment is entirely justified. Obviously a racist comment isn’t.

And it depends how many stairs. At my work there is a short staircase near the entrance with just 2 steps. If you pushed someone down that they’d probably be fine. But it might cause them to fall over and they could say something because they were angry about it.

Come on? Yes, pushing someone down a normal flight of stairs isn’t the same as what Holgate did. But calling someone a son of a b in the middle of an office isn’t the same as what Firmino did either is it?

Do you know what I think the big problem here is. No one really gives a sh1t whether anything racist was said. No one really cares how it made Holgate feel, or if there is a wider problem in the game. You/other fans just want to see a Liverpool player banned and see Klopp have to answer questions on it in the press conference for a cheap laugh. I’ll admit that would be mildly amusing, but it wouldn’t solve anything.

They’d still be miles better than us. Plus, just our Everton luck, his first back from his ban would probably be the derby and he’d score a 93rd minute winner.

Guess what mate, people here do give a [Poor language removed] if something racist was said. You sound like a Kopite just by posting something like that. Whether it was an Arsenal player, a City player or a rs player saying it, it isn't bloody acceptable and a player doesn't have to accept it.

What an utterly ridiculous and clueless post that is.

 

[Viennablue]

I think a lot of people care if something racist was said and more to the point, the majority of fans on this site would find something racist said by one of our players equally as bad as a Liverpool player. I couldn't care less what Klopp thinks and Liverpool have not publicly backed him so there is no climb down.

The whole point is that if one of our players was racially abused its disgraceful and has no place anywhere in modern life.

The rest of your rambling about pushing people down stairs is nonsense.

No no no. Your not getting out of it that easily...

You said “if someone called me a son of a b in the office...” etc

I said “it depends if they’d just pushed you down the stairs first...”etc

You said “it depends if they’d just said something racist...”

My KEY point after that was the PUSH happened before the comments. In your scenario someone has called you a son of a b in the office for no reason and you want them punished. My point was for this to be an equal situation to Holgate/firminho, you have to have done something to that person in the office for them to call you a son of a b.

And I don’t believe you about the wider context. You effectively want an LFC player banned for calling someone a son of a b. You say so in the first post I commented on (the in the office nonsense).

Would you want an EFC player banned for calling an opponent a son f a b? I think not. You are using your club allegence to muddy the waters. That’s a real shame if this is supposed to be a crusade to clean up football.

In short, if firminho said anything racist he needs a long ban and an awareness course. But if all he said was son of a b he’s just said what footballers say to pretty much an refereeing decision.

 

[kev]

Misread, sorry.

 

[Viennablue]

Guess what mate, people here do give a [Poor language removed] if something racist was said. You sound like a Kopite just by posting something like that. Whether it was an Arsenal player, a City player or a rs player saying it, it isn't bloody acceptable and a player doesn't have to accept it.

What an utterly ridiculous and clueless post that is.

Ok, some people clearly do care about the wider context. I’ll apologise to anyone who does. Sorry.

But when I see comments about handing our bans for a player saying “son of a b”. That’s a bit ridiculous isnt it?

 

[maccavennie]

Ok, some people clearly do care about the wider context. I’ll apologise to anyone who does. Sorry.

But when I see comments about handing our bans for a player saying “son of a b”. That’s a bit ridiculous isnt it?

I'd say the majority on here would care about the wider context. If you want to discuss someone in work getting pushed down the stairs ( because that's an accurate account of what Holgate done when he pushed Firminho down 40 fights of stairs ) or someone previously mentioning "son of a b" is deserving of a ban and you don't agree with that, that is fine.

 

[JelavicBrate2]

Sorry meant to say Lukaku and Sakho talking in their mother tongues, rather than about each others mothers, which they could have been talking about.

 

[cronullasharks]

Like "born not manufactured, we do not choose we are chosen"?

With such demigod status we are in no position to throw around the word cult at anyone.

I suspect you weren't artetas biggest fan

 

[RomanReigns]

Whilst we are on the subject of saying something on a football pitch that subsequently leads to a ban...who remembers this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/e/everton/6131300.stm

 

[mccole]

KOPITE FA EXCUSE KLAXON

 

[Seathestars]

Did the push not come before the comments from Firmino? If the push came first (and the echo story I read claims it did), then the son of a b comment is entirely justified. Obviously a racist comment isn’t.

And it depends how many stairs. At my work there is a short staircase near the entrance with just 2 steps. If you pushed someone down that they’d probably be fine. But it might cause them to fall over and they could say something because they were angry about it.

Come on? Yes, pushing someone down a normal flight of stairs isn’t the same as what Holgate did. But calling someone a son of a b in the middle of an office isn’t the same as what Firmino did either is it?

Do you know what I think the big problem here is. No one really gives a sh1t whether anything racist was said. No one really cares how it made Holgate feel, or if there is a wider problem in the game. You/other fans just want to see a Liverpool player banned and see Klopp have to answer questions on it in the press conference for a cheap laugh. I’ll admit that would be mildly amusing, but it wouldn’t solve anything.

They’d still be miles better than us. Plus, just our Everton luck, his first back from his ban would probably be the derby and he’d score a 93rd minute winner.

Get off your soap box you beaut, of course people care

 

[Marius57]

No no no. Your not getting out of it that easily...

You said “if someone called me a son of a b in the office...” etc

I said “it depends if they’d just pushed you down the stairs first...”etc

You said “it depends if they’d just said something racist...”

My KEY point after that was the PUSH happened before the comments. In your scenario someone has called you a son of a b in the office for no reason and you want them punished. My point was for this to be an equal situation to Holgate/firminho, you have to have done something to that person in the office for them to call you a son of a b.

And I don’t believe you about the wider context. You effectively want an LFC player banned for calling someone a son of a b. You say so in the first post I commented on (the in the office nonsense).

Would you want an EFC player banned for calling an opponent a son f a b? I think not. You are using your club allegence to muddy the waters. That’s a real shame if this is supposed to be a crusade to clean up football.

In short, if firminho said anything racist he needs a long ban and an awareness course. But if all he said was son of a b he’s just said what footballers say to pretty much an refereeing decision.

Mate, Holgate should have been sent off for that push. Ref lost control completely. I also don’t like seeing any of our players swearing like that and abusing someone else in any way. Partly because it’s horrible and partly because there’s millions of kids watch football and it prompts them to do it when they play. It’s not just cause it’s Firminho and he plays for Liverpool. If any of our players got sent off for it, then so be it, as long as it was consistent across all clubs because then it would stamp it out and players would stop doing it.
I get that a football pitch and an office are different things, but it’s a workplace, and not every workplace is an office. Just because it’s a different setting, does not make any abuse right. Yes he was wound up and Holgate did something first (unless there was previous throughout the game that we don’t know about) but as you say that swearing is part of football at this level and we just have to accept it, so are bad tackles, surely they should just be used to it and accept them as that is what happens at their workplace?

I also never actually said he should receive a ban for the son of a b comment, I said it was out of order And shouldn’t be accepted anywhere. I then asked why professionals should be treated differently to us at grass roots. And I said at my work I would expect someone to be reprimanded, doesn’t mean a ban. Nowhere have I said he needs a ban for that. It was more a comment about the game in general.

 

[Jebus_lives]

No no no. Your not getting out of it that easily...

You said “if someone called me a son of a b in the office...” etc

I said “it depends if they’d just pushed you down the stairs first...”etc

You said “it depends if they’d just said something racist...”

My KEY point after that was the PUSH happened before the comments. In your scenario someone has called you a son of a b in the office for no reason and you want them punished. My point was for this to be an equal situation to Holgate/firminho, you have to have done something to that person in the office for them to call you a son of a b.

And I don’t believe you about the wider context. You effectively want an LFC player banned for calling someone a son of a b. You say so in the first post I commented on (the in the office nonsense).

Would you want an EFC player banned for calling an opponent a son f a b? I think not. You are using your club allegence to muddy the waters. That’s a real shame if this is supposed to be a crusade to clean up football.

In short, if firminho said anything racist he needs a long ban and an awareness course. But if all he said was son of a b he’s just said what footballers say to pretty much an refereeing decision.

In didn't set the scenario, you did. But in either scenario if racist language is used it's unacceptable - that's not difficult to grasp surely?

Everyone on here is in agreement about that, the divergence comes when addressing if Firminos word in current evidence is punishable by a ban. They could be, but they won't be as it's widely used across the EPL each week.

If you look at my previous comments on this, you'll see that I don't think the current evidence indicates a ban - although I do think more evidence will surface.

The rest of your drivel is just straw man arguments.

 

[N.S.N.O.]

Rodriguez adamantly denying his charge of racism, and being fully supported.... If there's no video evidence in that case, really cant see how he could be charged when firminho hasnt...

Can see the FA using this case to eventually be able to let firminho off....just watch it play out over the weekend now...jeff stelling will be asking the sky soccer saturday panel if its right the charge a player with little or no evidence, just one guys word against another....once the media show this attitude to this case, Rodriques will likely win his appeal, and its easier for the FA to let firminho off

 

[davek]

Laughing me bollocks at the notion that some scruffy kopite get right under the nose of the referee screaming at another professional that they're a son of a whore doesn't count as abuse.

Ha Ha Ha.

Think about it.