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Holgate Racially Abused By Firmino - The Guardian

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Skamp said:
So not guilty then.
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He's not guilty mate, but as much it seems he was "not proven" in the Scottish legal system. It is worth noting though, just a few weeks earlier the same organisation acknowledged they also found Mark Sampson not guilty (in infact completely innocent, they went far beyond what they said about Firmino) for language they would not just accept was guilty of racism to their standards, but also to a criminal standard under the 2010 Equalities Act. Alongside this report they also acknowledged that every single one of their employees needed urgent training on race relations, and being able to understand what racism was.

This case has only been brought out, not out out of any acknowledgement of wrong doing by the FA, but because the woman in question kept pushing, through 2 separate investigations where Sampson was cleared.

During the investigation of this case, one of the leading figures within the Football Association actually went back again on what they had said above, and said that actually the criminally racist behaviour was in fact only problematic due to (in the case women's) inability to grasp "banter".

Thats the context of the organisation charged with trying to get to the bottom of this. I don't have any faith in the football association to prosecute racism, or even understand what racism really is. I don't think the urgent training they accepted they required has sunk in enough.

I have no idea what was or wasn't said. I have seen none of the documents about what people may or may not have heard. I only go on the information that we have to hand. We have a football club who are serial offenders when it comes to racism. A Football club who have still yet to apologise to Patrice Evra, a decision that has led to him getting dogs abuse at the weekend. A club that openly supported a footballer and made an icon of him once they knew he was racist.

We have a footballer, with a genuine reaction, bringing an accusation that we know only gets brought in moments of extreme distress for black people, not because they are worried about pushing someone over. Standing up to racism has never been about trying to cover one self and the insinuation it does is an extension of the racist outlook that permeates the club who are making it. The young lad has also been told he has behaved impeccably "in good faith" but that there wasn't enough evidence.

We then have an organisation in charge of investigation who couldn't establish guilt, in a case they later acknowledged was guilty not just to their standards but to that of criminal standards.

Thats the context. Thats what we know. The rest is conjecture.
 
catcherintherye said:
He's not guilty mate, but as much it seems he was "not proven" in the Scottish legal system. It is worth noting though, just a few weeks earlier the same organisation acknowledged they also found Mark Sampson not guilty (in infact completely innocent, they went far beyond what they said about Firmino) for language they would not just accept was guilty of racism to their standards, but also to a criminal standard under the 2010 Equalities Act. Alongside this report they also acknowledged that every single one of their employees needed urgent training on race relations, and being able to understand what racism was.

This case has only been brought out, not out out of any acknowledgement of wrong doing by the FA, but because the woman in question kept pushing, through 2 separate investigations where Sampson was cleared.

During the investigation of this case, one of the leading figures within the Football Association actually went back again on what they had said above, and said that actually the criminally racist behaviour was in fact only problematic due to (in the case women's) inability to grasp "banter".

Thats the context of the organisation charged with trying to get to the bottom of this. I don't have any faith in the football association to prosecute racism, or even understand what racism really is. I don't think the urgent training they accepted they required has sunk in enough.

I have no idea what was or wasn't said. I have seen none of the documents about what people may or may not have heard. I only go on the information that we have to hand. We have a football club who are serial offenders when it comes to racism. A Football club who have still yet to apologise to Patrice Evra, a decision that has led to him getting dogs abuse at the weekend. A club that openly supported a footballer and made an icon of him once they knew he was racist.

We have a footballer, with a genuine reaction, bringing an accusation that we know only gets brought in moments of extreme distress for black people, not because they are worried about pushing someone over. Standing up to racism has never been about trying to cover one self and the insinuation it does is an extension of the racist outlook that permeates the club who are making it. The young lad has also been told he has behaved impeccably "in good faith" but that there wasn't enough evidence.

We then have an organisation in charge of investigation who couldn't establish guilt, in a case they later acknowledged was guilty not just to their standards but to that of criminal standards.

Thats the context. Thats what we know. The rest is conjecture.
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I'd be interested to read the full FA report on Firmino. They do release them but I think it may be a few weeks yet. Should be pretty revealing in terms of how much they had available and whether they were being too lenient in interpretation etc.

I think there'll be a few eyebrows raised on publication, because their statement was very ambiguous about evidence and the balance of that evidence.
 

Dabluez said:
Like you ToffeeTit, who responds to a spineless display by looking to attack the RS who have just won 4-1 and gone second. Concentrate on what we are doing wrong instead of looking to score spite points you [Poor language removed] dipshit.

Allardyce brings on Snides in a spineless act of cowardice and stupidity and you look to post pictures of Gerrard from 4 years ago you [Poor language removed] weapon. Now wonder we are a laughing stock.

With dickheads like you around we will be still blaming Heysel when we are in the 3rd division. Soft [Poor language removed] like you and the cat fondler from Blackburn want us to fail just so you can blame the Red [Poor language removed].

We are a massive Club with a passionate fan base and the more time we spend slagging them off the less time we concentrate on us, it just weakens us. The thing is half the sad fuckwits who have probably never been to a game actually want us to fail just so they can moan about it.

GOT- Gang Of Tossers.

I will be at Burnley next week and if the likes of ToffeeTit and Neo Nazi Davek have something to say then bring a gumshield.
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I wondered why this was being bumped. Not surprisingly it's a Kopite calling people out for straighteners.

Move on lad.
 

UEFA has dropped charges against Spartak Moscow over allegations of racist abuse towards Liverpool's Rhian Brewster due to lack of evidence.



Interesting. So I am now sure LFC fans will bombard Brewster for bringing Spartak into a racism controversy.
 
Wat Tyler said:
UEFA has dropped charges against Spartak Moscow over allegations of racist abuse towards Liverpool's Rhian Brewster due to lack of evidence.



Interesting. So I am now sure LFC fans will bombard Brewster for bringing Spartak into a racism controversy.
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Uefa are corrupt though whereas the FA are completely impartial. Apparently.
 

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