Its not mein frandel, he didnt do set pieces and he didnt do fitness work.
There were many, many stories in his time here.
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Its not mein frandel, he didnt do set pieces and he didnt do fitness work.
There were many, many stories in his time here.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Marco Silva, Just Another Roberto Martinez?
Marco Silva has had a tumultuous time since he arrived in England in January 2017 as Hull Manager, he has been lauded by pundits, relegated, lauded again and then sacked as Watford manager. After a good start to the season as Watford Manager, Everton came calling but not a lot of our fans were convinced by the Portuguese manager, with some calling him another Roberto Martinez.
The definition of a Roberto Martinez to Evertonians can best be described as “ A Manager that plays overcomplicated football going forward but is ridiculously naïve at the back and has no plan B whatsoever”.
Is Marco Silva another Roberto Martinez or is he a much better manager that’s been harshly judged by fans and the press alike in England.
Tactics….
Silva like many Continental coaches prefers the 4-2-3-1 with high pressing and pace on the flanks to stretch opponents and create space. The idea is to control the midfield whilst also creating space for the attackers to do the most damage possible. Without the ball Silva’s teams tend to revert to a 4-1-4-1 with the wingers dropping back to cover the fullbacks and denying the opposition large spaces to drift into. Silva when at Olympiakos and Estoril was known for prioritising shape and organisation above his sides attacking play.
The base formation is very similar to the one in which Martinez applied at Everton with a back 4, 2 holding midfielders and 3 attacking midfielders supplying a lone striker. However there are fundamental differences, Martinez preferred the methodical possession based football to dominate games and win the possession battle whilst Silva’s teams attack with speed to expose space created by the movement of its forwards. Defensively again similarities but differences Silva’s teams do not play with a suicidal high line and his teams much more actively press than Martinez’s without over exposing themselves.
Another Martinez? Similarities with Fundamental differences
Coaching….
Silva is known as an obsessive hands on coach who before games does walkthroughs of how he wants his players to position themselves during different phases of play. He had both Hull and Watford working meticulously on different elements of the games such as throw ins or corners in an effort to be fully prepared for each game. His training sessions are supposed to be very intense with a lot of work with some fearing he overworks the players to get things exactly how he wants them. There are stories of him using hotel conference rooms as mini pitches to work on the team shape with his players whilst on away trips
This is in stark contrast to Roberto Martinez who came under fire for his lack of fitness work and attention to detail when it came to certain aspects of play. The Spaniard and his assistant Graeme Jones were known to not value practicing defending corners because it was only a small part of the game preferring to focus on ball work. The lack of fitness work done by Martinez at Everton also contributed to the number of muscular injuries at the club.
Another Martinez? No Much more attention to detail in all aspects of play and fitness
What the Players say….
Curtis Davies said that throughout the game he was always thinking “Where would Marco put me if we were doing a walkthrough in training, where would he position me”. This shows how Silva’s rigorous training methods can have a positive impact on his player play throughout the game forcing them to think more and make better decisions
Ryan Mason “He was a workaholic, the day before a game he would have the team set out and you would walkthrough certain situations. Even oppositions throw ins. It was a level of detail we were not used to. Those minor details can make such a massive difference at Premier League level” This is a surprise considering Mason has been coached by both Andre Villas Boas and Mauricio Pochettino in his time at Tottenham. The level of detail and work put in can only benefit the players in long and term.
This is in stark contrast to what Everton players have said about Roberto Martinez tenure as manager with some frustrated at his unflappable belief in possession and passing no matter who the opponent was, lacking a Plan B was part of his downfall. Training sessions were called boring and unimaginative and just a lot of ball work rather than working on shape or structure in the side. Martinez’s players even demanded the Spaniard go more direct to get the best of an increasingly isolated Romelu Lukaku.
Another Martinez? No the level of work and detail seems to impress Silva’s player whilst Martinez’s rigidness caused issues with his
Performance….
Marco Silva has only managed 42 games in the Premier League with 13 wins 8 draws and 21 losses to his name. He took over a god awful Hull team that most thought were dead and buried and gave them hope. He started the season of really well with Watford, up until the Everton links started towards the end of November, they had 21 points from 15 games scored 24 and conceded 25, with 14 of them goals coming in 3 games against Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd. For a side like Watford that’s a really good start to season and although they shipped too many goals against the top sides against the rest of the teams they were relatively good defensively.
Roberto Martinez won the FA cup with Wigan kept Wigan up for as long as he possibly could and had one very good season at Everton where the team finished 5th and were on cusp of qualifying for Champions league.
It’s tough to compare the two managers really on performance as Silva has managed little over a season’s worth of games in the premier league whilst Martinez has managed 265 games in his managerial career. Silva has collected 1.12 points per game whilst in premier league and conceded an average 1.8 goals per game whilst Martinez has collected 1.20 points per game and conceded an average of 1.58 goals per game.
Another Martinez? Yes however it is not a complete picture due to the differences in number of games
In Conclusion…..
Marco Silva and Roberto Martinez share some similarities but are fundamentally very different managers with differing philosophies. The Spaniard is all about possession and passing whilst Portuguese manager is all about organisation and attention to detail and exposing the spaces. It’s hard to definitively say whether if he took the Everton managers job he would have the same problems the Spaniard did. They can be both flawed in their approach as can be seen from the number of goals conceded however who knows given time to build his own side and having more than just one preseason under his belt whether Marco Silva can live up to his lofty potential and push Everton towards where they want to be
Another Martinez? Potentially but he deserves a chance to prove his doubters wrong, he is a very capable manager who could with time prove to be a very good appointment.
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It's almost time. The pieces are all moving into position and the Master's apprentice will soon take his place.
It's almost time. The pieces are all moving into position and the Master's apprentice will soon take his place.
Thankfully that says hes nothing like El Fraudo!!!!!
orly
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Read again mon ami, I'm not saying he didn't concentrate on those areas. But the insinuation in that article is that he couldn't be arsed, which wasn't true, he just put his energies in a bit madly and was surrounded by the worst coaches in the universe.
When he moved Lukaku out wide for the Arsenal game, he was feted as a tactical mastermind, plus he won the FA Cup. And the bit where Silva's Watford conceded 15 GOALS IN 3 GAMES seems to be happily dismissed as a by-product of his talents.
Very strange.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Still laughing at that cautionary article you linked there. "Just another Martinez". I hope the next manager is because we'll be in paradise compared to the tripe served up by the managers you and your fellow philistines wanted for us and got.
Record PL points and win totals
Latter stages of cup competitions
Free flowing schilky fussballen
Yeah, "JUst" another one of them please.
Gladystweet
Player Valuation: £50m
It's almost time. The pieces are all moving into position and the Master's apprentice will soon take his place.
Erm WRONG DAVID.
I wanted Vitor when we appointed Martinez
I wanted Cuco when we appointed Koeman
I wanted Tuchell when we appointed Sam
And I want Paulo when we appoint Silva
So sniff my tailpipe.
I wanted Klopp when we appointed Martinez.
I wanted Mourinho when we appointed Koeman.
I wanted no one when we appointed Sam
And I want Arsene Wenger when we appoint Silva.
So you sniff my tailpipe mate.
nickDtoffee
Player Valuation: £500k
All signs point to Silva.......... TBH I thought he did a good job at Hull. Started great at Watford until we came calling. Something really stirred it up at Watford. But when Mosh does the maths.... Reported 15m compo turned down. Pay Sam a reported 5m compo. Mosh saves 10m dosh.
We were never getting Plop or Jose or Wenger, but we did get no one.
To be honest mate, with the amount of high quality manager available soon, we’re just being silly to whore ourself to Silva. Typical small time club mentality. We’re better than that.
I just think better managers are slightly out of reach mate.
For many reasons.
I dont like to put the club down, honestly, to me, Everton is everything, its my world, so what im about to write might not make much sense, but............
In the grand scale of things we are honestly a nothing club, people have this perception that titles we won 30 years ago means something, that Dixie Dean means something, that our list of firsts mean something, they mean the world to us, but they mean VERY little in this era. We are considered a good club, with a loyal fanbase and we have the attraction of being very much a Premier League club.
But ask yourself, why would Emery pick us? Hes over in France winning titles and cups, playing CL football, what attraction would 8th place Everton hold to him? Why wouldnt he pick another team he can win titles at, win cups at, play CL football?
Thats why, like when we appointed Sam and Koeman, I consider Silva the best we can currently attract.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
You say that as if it's a positive.
Tbf, you did champion Tuchel in the past...about 6 months after I put his name in the hat.
We will never know how Vitor would have done, NEVER!
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Exactly. Which is why some people turning their noses up at Silva makes no sense. Silva has shown how he can energise a team and organise it to get better performances than anyone has a right to expect. Hull - he ran out of time to save; Watford - a fine first half of the season derailed by the carpet bagger lifting his skirts for him then running off leaving him in the lurch.
He's free, he's good. It is as obvious a no brainer for this club as there is and even the nobhead in control of it has to see it too.
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