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I Hate Phil Neville

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Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
@Tubey if you had said "Phil Neville is the worst Everton captain there's ever been since I've started following the Blues" I'd have absolutely no issue with that comment. It's an opinion at the end of the day and you would have at least had seen all the captains during that timescale, so I'd respect your opinion even if I didn't agree

To say he's the worst ever is absolute pish though, as there's simply no way you'd be able to know that. That's why I've taken umbridge with you here

Surely you can understand that?
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Nope, because I've looked back at past captains and none of them have been as bad as him in my view. Not even close, in terms of ability, personality and negative impact on the club.

People can disagree with me, but I'd like to see the counter-argument. It's a simple ask really - if he isn't the worst Everton captain of all time, who is?
 
Tubey said:
Nope, because I've looked back at past captains and none of them have been as bad as him in my view. Not even close, in terms of ability, personality and negative impact on the club.

People can disagree with me, but I'd like to see the counter-argument. It's a simple ask really - if he isn't the worst Everton captain of all time, who is?
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It's impossible to confirm that fact unless you have seen every single Everton captain play

There is no one alive today who can do that, hence why you cannot say with full certainty that he's the worst Everton Captain ever

Worst of the past 30 years? You can make that argument if you want as there's video evidence that you can point to and also eye witness accounts of people who have seen those captains play that you can refer to directly.

Worst of all time? No way can you make that decision. There have been captains who have overseen relegations for instance. Are they inherently better than Phil Neville because they didn't do a rubbish interview on Sky Sports News?

You can't deal in absolutes on this issue as you just haven't seen enough of the other Captains to make a reasoned assement, hence why I'm going to challenge you on it, as to judge Phil Neville as the worst Everton Captain ever when you've not seen every Everton Captain is inherently unfair and just plain dogmatic stupidity
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
It's impossible to confirm that fact unless you have seen every single Everton captain play

There is no one alive today who can do that, hence why you cannot say with full certainty that he's the worst Everton Captain ever

Worst of the past 30 years? You can make that argument if you want as there's video evidence that you can point to and also eye witness accounts of people who have seen those captains play that you can refer to directly.

Worst of all time? No way can you make that decision. There have been captains who have overseen relegations for instance. Are they inherently better than Phil Neville because they didn't do a rubbish interview on Sky Sports News?

You can't deal in absolutes on this issue as you just haven't seen enough of the other Captains to make a reasoned assement, hence why I'm going to challenge you on it, as to judge Phil Neville as the worst Everton Captain ever when you've not seen every Everton Captain is inherently unfair and just plain dogmatic stupidity
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I didn't watch Genghis Khan either mate, that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on him.

By your logic, anything before the dawn of television is null and void for research purposes.
 
Tubey said:
I didn't watch Genghis Khan either mate, that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on him.

By your logic, anything before the dawn of television is null and void for research purposes.
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Genghis Khan's actions are widely documented, so you can make an informed opinion on him, which in turn would be fair

Your opinion that Neville is the worst Everton Captain of all time is not an informed one because you clearly don't know enough about previous captains to make the argument and form the opinion. Regardless of this, you are presenting it as an absolute fact, which it isn't. If you went away and read match reports, watched the footage of the Everton Captains that we have and properly researched this matter, then I wouldn't be taking umbridge with it. You haven't though, so I'm calling you on it. You can't declare Phil Neville as the worst Everton Captain of all time, and essentially slander him, when you haven't properly researched it.

I'm not even a massive fan of Phil Neville. I wouldn't really mind if someone said he was the Worst Captain of the past 30 years or anything like that. But to say he's the worst ever? You better have some actual solid facts to back that argument up or I'm going to challenge it, because we're talking over a century of the clubs history and I don't think it's fair to just declare that Phil Neville is the worst captain that a more than 100 year old football club has ever had without some small smidgen of active comparison between him and his predecessors.

You may claim that it is just your opinion, but I am declaring that your opinion is invalid until you have shown your working, which you are refusing to do, hence your opinion has no value. The onus is on you to prove that it does

One Sky Sports interview, that he apologised for practically straight after, does not constitute enough evidence that he is the worst captain ever. Does it constitute that he was the worst in recent history? Maybe it does. But of all time? No way, not even close.
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
Genghis Khan's actions are widely documented, so you can make an informed opinion on him, which in turn would be fair

Your opinion that Neville is the worst Everton Captain of all time is not an informed one because you clearly don't know enough about previous captains to make the argument and form the opinion. Regardless of this, you are presenting it as an absolute fact, which it isn't. If you went away and read match reports, watched the footage of the Everton Captains that we have and properly researched this matter, then I wouldn't be taking umbridge with it. You haven't though, so I'm calling you on it. You can't declare Phil Neville as the worst Everton Captain of all time, and essentially slander him, when you haven't properly researched it.

I'm not even a massive fan of Phil Neville. I wouldn't really mind if someone said he was the Worst Captain of the past 30 years or anything like that. But to say he's the worst ever? You better have some actual solid facts to back that argument up or I'm going to challenge it, because we're talking over a century of the clubs history and I don't think it's fair to just declare that Phil Neville is the worst captain that a more than 100 year old football club has ever had without some small smidgen of active comparison between him and his predecessors.

You may claim that it is just your opinion, but I am declaring that your opinion is invalid until you have shown your working, which you are refusing to do, hence your opinion has no value. The onus is on you to prove that it does

One Sky Sports interview, that he apologised for practically straight after, does not constitute enough evidence that he is the worst captain ever. Does it constitute that he was the worst in recent history? Maybe it does. But of all time? No way, not even close.
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Good post.
 


blue4eva77 said:
I've just read that thread and i still don't get it.
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There's nothing to get

I essentially said that he's a good player, but I didn't think he was best in the world and I was wondering why the infatuation with him was so brief. He went from FourFourTwo articles to being just another top level player seemingly in the space of half a year

If I was saying he was rubbish and couldn't hit a barn door, there'd be an actual point to @Fuleco bringing it up
 
Fuleco said:
Haha.

I am getting had off here.
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no mate, I agree with you and not the man who felt Duffy was going to be our centre back for years and probable future captain off the back of less than 10 senior appearances


he's at mid Championship Blackburn now btw
 

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