I suppose saying a guys opinion is invalid is a bit rum
Probably would be less rude to say their argument was invalid
Probably would be less rude to say their argument was invalid
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I Hate Phil Neville
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Really good a well reasoned argument mate. Well in
Not a snide attempt to discredit someone without bringing any point of worth to the discussion yourself at all
You've done yourself proud!
Seeing as your avatar is a dog, have a treat!
Carlito
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Always happy to see this thread get bumped so I can repeat myself.
It's embarrassing that Phil Neville captained Everton. He epitomised the attitude of embracing any old crap that permeated through the club during Moyes' reign, and the bulk of his performances were utterly diabolical for a footballer earning north of £40k a week.
It says it all that the only defence people can come up with is that he went to bed at seven o'clock and didn't bevy, although I'm sure the younger players benefitted massively from his sage advice on his areas of expertise, such as letting the ball run under your foot, or how to peel a banana.
It's embarrassing that Phil Neville captained Everton. He epitomised the attitude of embracing any old crap that permeated through the club during Moyes' reign, and the bulk of his performances were utterly diabolical for a footballer earning north of £40k a week.
It says it all that the only defence people can come up with is that he went to bed at seven o'clock and didn't bevy, although I'm sure the younger players benefitted massively from his sage advice on his areas of expertise, such as letting the ball run under your foot, or how to peel a banana.
blue4eva77
Yarmolenko ? Yes please
Mikey sounds like he is seething here. Posting through gritted teeth.
catcherintherye
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For a club raised on Ball, Kendall and Harvey it's clear Neville was never going to be easily accepted at Everton. He may well have been at a club like Manchester United, but at Everton, with that tradition he was always unlikely to be viewed as worthy of a place for Everton.
However he is clearly not the worst captain ever. That is ludicrous. There has to be some level of balance.
However he is clearly not the worst captain ever. That is ludicrous. There has to be some level of balance.
It's ludicrous to just say he isn't. What's your basis?
http://www.evertonfc.com/content/history/players-and-managers/club-captains
There are some absolute no brainers when you look at Captains who were better than Neville
Dixie Dean
Roy Vernon - Captain in 63 when the club won the League
Brian Lanone
Alan Ball
Howard Kendall
Mick Lyons
Kevin Ratcliffe
Dave Watson
Gary Speed
Duncan Ferguson
But look at the one season captains we've had in just my lifetime
Kevin Campbell
Alan Stubbs
David Weir
I mean, Neville has an argument at being better than all three of them surely?
Even Speed, though most certainly the better player, was captain during the 97/98 season, where we were nearly relegated. Neville can at least dine out on a Cup Final
Going further back, can anyone say with absolute certainty that Phil Neville was definately worse than say Dickie Downs or John McDonald, who were both captains between 1920-1922?
I mean, you could write a book on the subject of Worst Everton Captain and would likely not get an answer that everyone agreed with
Pip Neville, who led Everton to an FA Cup Final and always put a shift in, is the worst without argument? Sorry, not seeing it. How do you even quantify the criteria you'd use to decide who the worst was? Would we weight success over skill? Would we weight longevity over trophies won?
Hey, maybe if you did that he wouid be the worst, but until someone actually did I think it's impossible to say one way or the other
There are some absolute no brainers when you look at Captains who were better than Neville
Dixie Dean
Roy Vernon - Captain in 63 when the club won the League
Brian Lanone
Alan Ball
Howard Kendall
Mick Lyons
Kevin Ratcliffe
Dave Watson
Gary Speed
Duncan Ferguson
But look at the one season captains we've had in just my lifetime
Kevin Campbell
Alan Stubbs
David Weir
I mean, Neville has an argument at being better than all three of them surely?
Even Speed, though most certainly the better player, was captain during the 97/98 season, where we were nearly relegated. Neville can at least dine out on a Cup Final
Going further back, can anyone say with absolute certainty that Phil Neville was definately worse than say Dickie Downs or John McDonald, who were both captains between 1920-1922?
I mean, you could write a book on the subject of Worst Everton Captain and would likely not get an answer that everyone agreed with
Pip Neville, who led Everton to an FA Cup Final and always put a shift in, is the worst without argument? Sorry, not seeing it. How do you even quantify the criteria you'd use to decide who the worst was? Would we weight success over skill? Would we weight longevity over trophies won?
Hey, maybe if you did that he wouid be the worst, but until someone actually did I think it's impossible to say one way or the other
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
I've seen us captained by people who were putting in transfer requests behind the scenes to jump ship on the brink of us being relegated.
Neville was a poor footballer, not brought up and educated to play football the School of Science way. However he was professional in his job and was never trying to engineer a move away when we needed him most. So I suppose he isn't the worst ever captain for me. I think he captained a team that at times over achieved in it's league performance.
TheBlueGibbon
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Didn't he try to force through a move to Spurs?
I've just given you a link to every Everton past captain, with biographies and appearance data. That's called "documentation".
You're talking tosh. You're attempting to claim someone can't have an opinion on people before the advent of television because it's impossible to research, which is pure horse manure.
I've researched Everton as well as anyone with an interest in Everton would do and, for me, he's the worst Everton captain of all time. I'm neither right or wrong in that opinion, but you are most certainly wrong in saying I cannot reasonably hold that opinion.
What's your opinion on it? Again, it's a simple question - if he's not the worst Everton captain is, then who is? After all, it's a list of subjects - one can be subjectively the best, one the worst, same as our managers.
For example, Howard Kendall is acknowledged as the best manager in our history - are you saying that people can't have that view with absolutely certainty just because television cameras didn't exist in 1890?
Ridiculous.
Donald Twain
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Yup ! and if you dig deep enough I'm sure there was some right barstools in the past
He was captain for 7/8 seasons.
History, (and himself, though his own admission) will mark him as a failure.
What, the striker who's impact kept us up, a rock solid Scottish centre-half who did a great job for us and a boyhood Evertonian whose only crime was to tell a teenager to do what he felt was best for him? If you say so, that's your view. For me, Neville is well beyond those in the worst captain stakes, with Stubbs second and Weir/Campbell not even being in the top ten.
Again, you don't seemingly understand what an opinion or what subjectivity is.
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