2018/19 Idrissa Gueye

[ijjysmith]

No it wouldn't, it will be down to Brands and Silva.

I'm just saying what I have seen over again really , we still sell our best assets on a regular basis and kenwright is still around to be involved.[/QUOTE]

In some ways yes. But how the hell do we not sell to a team like PSG when they want our players? It's impossible.

 

[PhilRegan]

I'm just saying what I have seen over again really , we still sell our best assets on a regular basis and kenwright is still around to be involved.

In some ways yes. But how the hell do we not sell to a team like PSG when they want our players? It's impossible.[/QUOTE]
We are not in a bad position as the seller. He has a long contract, its January and if rumours are true they cant spend much. We say no. Unless of course they want to sell.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Gueye is as good as Kante

The problem being we don't play to his strengths . The minute he has to do more than just run around throwing tackles in and breaking play up, his effectiveness goes down .

Part of the issue is that siggurdson isn't the quickest and our attack doesn't break quick enough. So it means the ball doesn't leave the middle quick enough inviting pressure into the ball players , ergo gueye and gomes. If siggurdson was a ball carrier for example then we could move the ball up the pitch quicker , or if we had a front three to release when he got the ball then we could transfer from defence to attack faster.

What's that got to do with gueye? It means when we get pressured in the middle and in some games overpowered in midfield, gueye then has to take on a different role to relieve that pressure meaning he has to play more as a central midfielder . We get very congested with 3 cm so they all have to do the same role.

Whereas if we could move the ball much faster with gomes and siggurdson then it frees gueye to only perform the sweeper role , or Kante role as its now known. He doesn't have to get a foothold in the middle, he doesn't have to care about the attackers . He simply has to win the ball and then give it to someone who turns it into an attack.

Long ramble but hopefully you get where I am coming from.

So you really believe gana would get in the best international side in the world.
He wouldn’t even get in the squad.

 

[Goat]

In some ways yes. But how the hell do we not sell to a team like PSG when they want our players? It's impossible.

We are not in a bad position as the seller. He has a long contract, its January and if rumours are true they cant spend much. We say no. Unless of course they want to sell.[/QUOTE]

Of course we want to sell.

From a business POV it makes perfect sense.

We paid 7m for Gana, if we can sell him at the age of 29 for 40m it looks superb on our accounts, cos we are business first, the lower leagues are rammed full of teams who thought they were running a football club.

 

[Richard Anderson]

Gueye is as good as Kante

The problem being we don't play to his strengths . The minute he has to do more than just run around throwing tackles in and breaking play up, his effectiveness goes down .

Part of the issue is that siggurdson isn't the quickest and our attack doesn't break quick enough. So it means the ball doesn't leave the middle quick enough inviting pressure into the ball players , ergo gueye and gomes. If siggurdson was a ball carrier for example then we could move the ball up the pitch quicker , or if we had a front three to release when he got the ball then we could transfer from defence to attack faster.

What's that got to do with gueye? It means when we get pressured in the middle and in some games overpowered in midfield, gueye then has to take on a different role to relieve that pressure meaning he has to play more as a central midfielder . We get very congested with 3 cm so they all have to do the same role.

Whereas if we could move the ball much faster with gomes and siggurdson then it frees gueye to only perform the sweeper role , or Kante role as its now known. He doesn't have to get a foothold in the middle, he doesn't have to care about the attackers . He simply has to win the ball and then give it to someone who turns it into an attack.

Long ramble but hopefully you get where I am coming from.

Think you need a lie down mate. Comparing a player that dragged Leicester to the title and won PFA player of the year in a title winning Chelsea team the next year to Gueye, a manistay in a crap Everton team. Good god.

 

[Goat]

Think you need a lie down mate. Comparing a player that dragged Leicester to the title and won PFA player in a title winning Chelsea team the next year to Gueye, a manistay in a crap Everton team. Good god.

Mate if Kante played for us everybody would want him sold cos he doesnt rake 90 yard passes.

 

[orly]

Gueye is as good as Kante.

It's that time again boys


BED TIME

 

[PhilRegan]

We are not in a bad position as the seller. He has a long contract, its January and if rumours are true they cant spend much. We say no. Unless of course they want to sell.

Of course we want to sell.

From a business POV it makes perfect sense.

We paid 7m for Gana, if we can sell him at the age of 29 for 40m it looks superb on our accounts, cos we are business first, the lower leagues are rammed full of teams who thought they were running a football club.[/QUOTE]

Its a midtable way of running the club though. Hes our most effective midfielder by far. Its an equivalent of man city selling Fernandinho. I'm sure for the money they could have gotten for him at 29 would of looked great aswell but they knew a replacement would be hard to come by if not impossible. I think they are still searching in fact. Hes also 33 now but I'm sure his age doesn't matter as long as hes playing well.

Would be not be a better business to not sell our best players but rather our players that are surplus to requirements first ? Isn't that what the better clubs especially in the EPL do ?

The lower leagues and the better so called leagues are full of well ran Football clubs winning trophies and balancing accounts to look good at the same time.

 

[Richard Anderson]

Mate if Kante played for us everybody would want him sold cos he doesnt rake 90 yard passes.

Our fans love players that just run about a bit. Look at Gueye and Naismith. Kante would manage here.

 

[Goat]

Of course we want to sell.

From a business POV it makes perfect sense.

We paid 7m for Gana, if we can sell him at the age of 29 for 40m it looks superb on our accounts, cos we are business first, the lower leagues are rammed full of teams who thought they were running a football club.

Its a midtable way of running the club though. Hes our most effective midfielder by far. Its an equivalent of man city selling Fernandinho. I'm sure for the money they could have gotten for him at 29 would of looked great aswell but they knew a replacement would be hard to come by if not impossible. I think they are still searching in fact. Hes also 33 now but I'm sure his age doesn't matter as long as hes playing well.

Would be not be a better business to not sell our best players but rather our players that are surplus to requirements first ? Isn't that what the better clubs especially in the EPL do ?

The lower leagues and the better so called leagues are full of well ran Football clubs winning trophies and balancing accounts to look good at the same time.[/QUOTE]

I looked at it from a business POV only.

I dont want to sell him really, I agree hes 1 of our better players, but you cant really compare us to City, from a business POV or a footballing POV.

We are looking to improve, we do not have the financial doping that City do, so we have to do things differently to City, I can use the example of United selling Ronaldo, Liverpool selling Sterling, Saurez and Coutinho. I know these are slightly different transfers due to most of them being world record deals, but they are business deals, not footballing deals.

But basically from a footballing POV its madness to sell Gana, but maybe the player wants to go, maybe we consider 40m "his price", maybe Silva wants a different kind of player in that role and just maybe a big massive profit on the books is what we need to push through on some other things, like Stadium finance.

Lots of moving parts to be taken in.

 

[Goat]

FFS, this quote is GOOSED.

 

[Parker]

Gueye is as good as Kante

The problem being we don't play to his strengths . The minute he has to do more than just run around throwing tackles in and breaking play up, his effectiveness goes down .

Part of the issue is that siggurdson isn't the quickest and our attack doesn't break quick enough. So it means the ball doesn't leave the middle quick enough inviting pressure into the ball players , ergo gueye and gomes. If siggurdson was a ball carrier for example then we could move the ball up the pitch quicker , or if we had a front three to release when he got the ball then we could transfer from defence to attack faster.

What's that got to do with gueye? It means when we get pressured in the middle and in some games overpowered in midfield, gueye then has to take on a different role to relieve that pressure meaning he has to play more as a central midfielder . We get very congested with 3 cm so they all have to do the same role.

Whereas if we could move the ball much faster with gomes and siggurdson then it frees gueye to only perform the sweeper role , or Kante role as its now known. He doesn't have to get a foothold in the middle, he doesn't have to care about the attackers . He simply has to win the ball and then give it to someone who turns it into an attack.

Long ramble but hopefully you get where I am coming from.

Have to disagree with that mate. Kante's a much better all round player, as proven by his change in role.

I'd say Fernandinho is better than both at present though.

 

[Chimpy Glassman]

Our fans love players that just run about a bit. Look at Gueye and Naismith. Kante would manage here.

 

[evertonarntwe]

gueye as good as kante
ELL OH ELL

 

[PhilRegan]

Its a midtable way of running the club though. Hes our most effective midfielder by far. Its an equivalent of man city selling Fernandinho. I'm sure for the money they could have gotten for him at 29 would of looked great aswell but they knew a replacement would be hard to come by if not impossible. I think they are still searching in fact. Hes also 33 now but I'm sure his age doesn't matter as long as hes playing well.

Would be not be a better business to not sell our best players but rather our players that are surplus to requirements first ? Isn't that what the better clubs especially in the EPL do ?

The lower leagues and the better so called leagues are full of well ran Football clubs winning trophies and balancing accounts to look good at the same time.

I looked at it from a business POV only.

I dont want to sell him really, I agree hes 1 of our better players, but you cant really compare us to City, from a business POV or a footballing POV.

We are looking to improve, we do not have the financial doping that City do, so we have to do things differently to City, I can use the example of United selling Ronaldo, Liverpool selling Sterling, Saurez and Coutinho. I know these are slightly different transfers due to most of them being world record deals, but they are business deals, not footballing deals.

But basically from a footballing POV its madness to sell Gana, but maybe the player wants to go, maybe we consider 40m "his price", maybe Silva wants a different kind of player in that role and just maybe a big massive profit on the books is what we need to push through on some other things, like Stadium finance.

Lots of moving parts to be taken in.[/QUOTE]

But aren't our best business opportunities produced on the pitch in the first place ?

I think you can compare us to City and we really need to start comparing if we are not already to move forward as a business and a footballing team.

We don't need to sell so we can technically operate at a similar level but with less numbers involved, like you said those transfers mentioned are quite different to this one.

I have absolutely no idea at all what Gueye, Silva or the Board are thinking on this. But business would always start on the pitch first with football and he improves that angle quite a bit with the job he does.

I completely get what your saying though mind you.