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2018/19 Idrissa Gueye

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I think if there were younger and good enough players out there in Europe for the same sort of price of replacing Gana PSG would be after them mate.

Its a unique situation as what he offers simply can not be replaced by what fee we can bring in based on his age.

Only Vardy at Leicester springs to mind - Leicister would never get huge money for a 33 year old however who replaces the 15-20 goals a season he scores for them should they sell him for say £20 million based on his age when if he was 27 he would fetch £70+ million?

Its a no win for us mate.

PSG have the money to buy the best that is out there for the short term safe in the knowledge they can do the same again when his form starts dropping off. They have champions league football and need results now.

He’s a fantastic player but that doesn’t mean we can’t come out of this with an end result that is a really good one for us.
 
PSG have the money to buy the best that is out there for the short term safe in the knowledge they can do the same again when his form starts dropping off. They have champions league football and need results now.

He’s a fantastic player but that doesn’t mean we can’t come out of this with an end result that is a really good one for us.

I agree anything can happen, but I think alot of people underestimate how easy we are to score against when he isnt in our midfield.

It would be typical Everton that we finally replace Rom this window but then draw/ lose many games 2-2/2-3 rather than winning 2-1/3-1 because our midfield gets cut through like butter throughout the season - peak Martinez.
 
It's a two-sided coin.

I understand your point and I even understand that there is some sense in him going due to his age (not that he's actually old) and that we'll probably not get a bigger offer.

But... how do we push on and press to become a CL club or a club challenging the top six on a consistent basis if, just as we look like we're on the verge of really pushing on, we keep selling our best players?

I have no doubt if he goes we'll get a replacement in but we'll be very lucky if they come close to doing the job Gueye does so well. There simply aren't many players out there like him, at the end of the day. So it will mean a change in style. Again, not a bad thing, but something that could well take time and just going off how long it took to adapt last season, if that something we can afford if we really want to catch the teams above us?

It's annoying to sell your best player when there's some utter dross left that needs to be moved on first.

Agreed, it’s not ideal, simply a representation of reality. So it comes down to strategy:

Sign young up and coming players because they know they’ll get game time here and develop. Alas that makes us a stepping stone. But we turn a profit every time that happens and leverage our scouting network. We do this until we are a CL team. If we are seen to impede these guys from dream moves then this no longer holds true and any links to Kean and Leao are nonsense.

Plan b. Buy people who are 30 for “one big last contract” hoping they’ll catapult us to top 4 where we can THEN attract and keep the top players. I would argue this is why we are a mess now.

Ok Gueye isn’t young, but it’s his last shot at CL football (?). I guess if we make him put in a transfer request then people would be happier? Genuine question that...
 

Central midfielders don't need to be fast ffs, get a grip, some of the greatest players ever weren't fast.

But you can't have a midfield full of players who don't bustle about.

I think Delph can add a bit of energy which is a good thing, but Gueye's ability to be in about four places in the space of 10 seconds has been crucial.
 
But you can't have a midfield full of players who don't bustle about.

I think Delph can add a bit of energy which is a good thing, but Gueye's ability to be in about four places in the space of 10 seconds has been crucial.

Having an engine and being a fast runner aren't the same though, short bursts of speed as opposed to sprinting, in the middle of the park, you don't need to be a sprinter to be effective. Tackling, positiobnal sense and passing are far better attributes in the middle as opposed to being fast. To say a player is too slow is quite a simplistic statement and holds no context. Pirlo, Zidane and Scholes(fairly recent examples of slow midfielders, weren't too shabby like.)
 
It may be a sad indictment on the state of modern football that a player doing what he is contracted to do, and not sulking that he can't do it somewhere else, is held in such regard.

But regrettably professionalism is no longer a given.

Yet the way in which Idrissa Gueye handled the disappointment of not securing his 'dream' move to Paris Saint Germain in January was worthy of praise.

Not just because his attitude and reaction was everything you would hope from such a fully committed character but because Gueye went onto give the best we've ever seen of him - and for that he deserves credit.

He wasn't just carrying on doing his job, he was actually doing it better than before.

Gueye may have an appetite for destruction on the pitch but the midfield dynamo is no trouble maker and the same would be expected if Everton choose to reject bids from PSG again the coming weeks.


Gueye is still holding onto that 'dream' of playing for the French champions and doing his thing in the Champions League yet he remains tied to the Blues until June 2022.

Marco Silva plans to sit down with the 29-year-old and remind him of his importance to the team and try to convince him to ignore PSG and stay at Goodison.

Undeniably, the wind feels as though it is blowing this situation towards the French capital.

But, in speaking to the ECHO this week, the Everton manager revealed the true deciding factor in this story – money.

Or as Silva put it, “let's see what the market will say”.

Knocking back underwhelming offers from the French club in January was the “right decision” but it may not be now.

Ultimately, what Everton will have to consider is if PSG are willing to meet their valuation of Gueye.

If they are then do the club have the time to reinvest the money? Is the right replacement out there, at the right price? And all with selling clubs aware of what the Blues had just pocketed for the midfielder and how much of a void he will leave.

The discussion for Marcel Brands and the board will be doing what is best for the club at a time of much needed cost control yet also at a time Silva needs to be armed with the best squad possible.

As has been talked about for some time now, this is the perfect example of where Everton's business meets their immediate ambition.
It's the real struggle of the summer.
Striking that balance is not easy, it has been miscalculated in the recent past and remains the factor in this window that will be keeping the director of football at Finch Farm until the small hours and on the phone constantly.
Of course, if PSG aren't willing to meet the asking price then no problem, as everyone would be thrilled to see the tackling tornado, one of the best in his position in the division, stay and be part of an improving, hungry squad.

And he is, don't forget, no ordinary player who will turning 30 in two months' time.
Usually, clubs would see the sense in cashing in on someone whose best days are, more likely than not, going to be behind them soon enough, but Gueye appears to be bucking the trend, he seems to be improving with time.
So, what to do?

Let's see how serious PSG are and if they are willing to put their money where their mouth is.
At that point, the ball is in Everton's court and the decision the club make will be fascinating.
 

It may be a sad indictment on the state of modern football that a player doing what he is contracted to do, and not sulking that he can't do it somewhere else, is held in such regard.

But regrettably professionalism is no longer a given.

Yet the way in which Idrissa Gueye handled the disappointment of not securing his 'dream' move to Paris Saint Germain in January was worthy of praise.

Not just because his attitude and reaction was everything you would hope from such a fully committed character but because Gueye went onto give the best we've ever seen of him - and for that he deserves credit.

He wasn't just carrying on doing his job, he was actually doing it better than before.

Gueye may have an appetite for destruction on the pitch but the midfield dynamo is no trouble maker and the same would be expected if Everton choose to reject bids from PSG again the coming weeks.


Gueye is still holding onto that 'dream' of playing for the French champions and doing his thing in the Champions League yet he remains tied to the Blues until June 2022.

Marco Silva plans to sit down with the 29-year-old and remind him of his importance to the team and try to convince him to ignore PSG and stay at Goodison.

Undeniably, the wind feels as though it is blowing this situation towards the French capital.

But, in speaking to the ECHO this week, the Everton manager revealed the true deciding factor in this story – money.

Or as Silva put it, “let's see what the market will say”.

Knocking back underwhelming offers from the French club in January was the “right decision” but it may not be now.

Ultimately, what Everton will have to consider is if PSG are willing to meet their valuation of Gueye.

If they are then do the club have the time to reinvest the money? Is the right replacement out there, at the right price? And all with selling clubs aware of what the Blues had just pocketed for the midfielder and how much of a void he will leave.

The discussion for Marcel Brands and the board will be doing what is best for the club at a time of much needed cost control yet also at a time Silva needs to be armed with the best squad possible.

As has been talked about for some time now, this is the perfect example of where Everton's business meets their immediate ambition.
It's the real struggle of the summer.
Striking that balance is not easy, it has been miscalculated in the recent past and remains the factor in this window that will be keeping the director of football at Finch Farm until the small hours and on the phone constantly.
Of course, if PSG aren't willing to meet the asking price then no problem, as everyone would be thrilled to see the tackling tornado, one of the best in his position in the division, stay and be part of an improving, hungry squad.

And he is, don't forget, no ordinary player who will turning 30 in two months' time.
Usually, clubs would see the sense in cashing in on someone whose best days are, more likely than not, going to be behind them soon enough, but Gueye appears to be bucking the trend, he seems to be improving with time.
So, what to do?

Let's see how serious PSG are and if they are willing to put their money where their mouth is.
At that point, the ball is in Everton's court and the decision the club make will be fascinating.

I’d be highly surprised if we didn’t give him a verbal agreement in January that he could go in the summer once we have a replacement.
 
An issue for me is we will have sold as many key players in 3 years under Moshiri than we did in about 15 years under Kenwrong:

Rooney
Lescott
Arteta
Felliani

Vs

Lukaku
Stones
Barkley
Gana?

At some point we cant keep selling our best players- by all means if a club comes in and offers daft Maguire or Coutinho money then assess the situation - but £30-35 million for one of imo Europe's best defensive midfielders is nothing in this current market regardless of him turning 30 soon.

Absolutely criminal if we sell him.
 
Sounds like he is all but gone.

I hate to see him go, but appreciate what he has done for the club. Was a true pro at all times and an absolutely key player on the pitch.

Still, he is not getting younger and has earned this chance at PSG.

The fee we get for him sounds fair, and the profit it represents over his purchase price (and book value) will be valuable as we balance the books.

Idrissa is one I will continue to cheer for even at his new club.
 

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