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Idrissa Gueye

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It seems that people aren't allowed to hold an opinion that goes against the mainstream these days. He comes from a country where public opinion is 90%+ anti gay, and homosexuality is punishable by imprisonment. Perhaps he feels that if he is seen to be promoting LGBTQ+ he will be sanctioned when he goes home? As has been pointed out by others, if he hadn't been outed by the media no-one would have been the wiser.
 
sdk said:
On topic, it's unfortunate that Gana's apparently disinclined to associate himself with LGBTQetc. liberation. I'd still love to have him back at Everton, though.
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Yes. Idrissa's views on the matter are different than my own - "we have still to overcome His shadow" after all - but I'm a tolerant sort and his fröhliche wissenschaft is still welcome in my defensive midfield anytime (though he presumably wouldn't care for my phrasing).
 
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Sarnia Kevin said:
It seems that people aren't allowed to hold an opinion that goes against the mainstream these days. He comes from a country where public opinion is 90%+ anti gay, and homosexuality is punishable by imprisonment. Perhaps he feels that if he is seen to be promoting LGBTQ+ he will be sanctioned when he goes home? As has been pointed out by others, if he hadn't been outed by the media no-one would have been the wiser.
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Thing is just because he played for us once you don't have to stick up for him, he's a disgrace of a human.
 

It's called freedom of speech (and thought). As long as he doesn't incite hatred/intolerance he's allowed to believe (and say) what he wants. It may upset some people but, we can't live in a world where you're not allowed to say/do anything that might upset somene else (or even the majority of 'someone elses'). Historically, if that had been the case, then homosexuality would still be illegal. The 'role model' argument doesn't work for me either. Any reasonable person would not adopt his views simply because they like him as a footballer - and if we pander those that would (the stupid minority) then the world is f***ed!
 
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If his biggest crime is to refuse to wear a football shirt because of his beliefs then I think everyone should just let him be. It's between Idrissa and PSG to sort out.

If however he comes out with comments that are blatantly homophobic and he starts expressing his beliefs in a hateful way then it's a bit different. That needs to be dealt with.

We're all entitled to our own beliefs. We just need to control how we express those beliefs to others.

It's possible for people to be inwardly homophobic but to outwardly do no harm to the LGBTQ+ community.
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If an otherwise match fit footballer point blank refused to take part in a match there’d be an uproar. Just because this match features kits in support of homosexuals being treated as equals he’s cried off and it seems there’s less furore than had it been any old match.

Do you really think a high profile player, playing for one of the biggest clubs in world football can take this stance and it’ll do no harm to the LGBTQ+ community?? Passive aggression is still aggression and there’ll be lots of people taking their lead from him.

Shown himself up as a coward as well as a homophobe IMO.
 
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It's called freedom of speech (and thought). As long as he doesn't incite hatred/intolerance he's allowed to believe (and say) what he wants. It may upset some people but, we can't live in a world where you're not allowed to say/do anything that might upset somene else (or even the majority of 'someone elses'). Historically, if that had been the case, then homosexuality would still be illegal. The 'role model' argument doesn't work for me either. Any reasonable person would not adopt his views simply because they like him as a footballer - and if we pander those that would (the stupid minority) then the world is f***ed!
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Honestly the most boring, overplayed argument on the internet.

For the millionth time: not a single person disputes his freedom to believe and say/not say whatever he likes.

Freedom of speech, however, doesn’t free the speaker/thinker from the consequences of said speech/beliefs.

This is not a political issue whereby there are grey areas. Homophobic views are wrong. Full stop. If he holds them, he should be criticised, and don’t forget the freedom of speech of those critics while you’re at it.
 
Brett Angell Delight said:
This is not a political issue whereby there are grey areas. Homophobic views are wrong. Full stop. If he holds them, he should be criticised, and don’t forget the freedom of speech of those critics while you’re at it.
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You have that view because you've been brought up in a culture that's generally very accepting of the LGBTQ community but Idrissa hasn't. He grew up in a country where homosexuality is illegal and with a religion that deems it to be wrong.
So in your opinion (and the opinion of Western society in general) there's no grey area but for him, for Senegalese people and for many Muslims, there is a grey area.
That may change over time but it hasn't changed yet. Just look at how recently same sex marriage has become legal in the UK. It takes time to change opinions to come in line with what's right.
 

Buzz Lightroom said:
You have that view because you've been brought up in a culture that's generally very accepting of the LGBTQ community but Idrissa hasn't. He grew up in a country where homosexuality is illegal and with a religion that deems it to be wrong.
So in your opinion (and the opinion of Western society in general) there's no grey area but for him, for Senegalese people and for many Muslims, there is a grey area.
That may change over time but it hasn't changed yet. Just look at how recently same sex marriage has become legal in the UK. It takes time to change opinions to come in line with what's right.
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I take your point, but as multiple others have pointed out: the tenets of his religion didn’t stop him donning shirts with alcohol or gambling company logos on them. Not to mention the fact he’s spent the majority of his pro career outside his native country, in places that are - as you say - generally more accepting of the community.

At this point I see it as a choice for him and he has clearly elected to stand by his views.
 
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Politics, religion doesn’t belong in football, I go to the match/watch at home or pub to get away from all that crap!!
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Tbh, I have no problem with people not wanting to get involved in a "cause" when its being forced on you (eg. Some of the black players with taking the knee).

With idrissa gueye, he probably handled it as best as he could by making himself unavailable for the game and not making inflammatory comments.

However, I agree with you that politics and religion have no place in footy. I don't really think they have any place anywhere in the modern world. Is there any worse groups of people than politicians and clergymen?
 
Not bothered how or why he has those views, its wrong. He needs to educate himself.

Those excusing his views saying thats the way he was brought up he cant help it, is akin to saying the KKK cant help being disgusting racists.

He isnt a child, he's an adult who can choose to educate himself or make big boy decisions.
 

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