Idrissa Gueye

[Sarnia Kevin]

Hes entitled to his views about homosexuality.

As much as im entitled to call him a midget little arsewipe.

Exactly, and much more honest than creating arguments about public censure.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

You could just as easily say that people who take an intolerant view of other peoples' beliefs are, themselves, bigoted. Which I'm afraid makes you a bigot as well.

No you can’t. You can’t say that being intolerant towards Nazis or far right racists is bigoted.
It makes you normal.

 

[Tin-Tin]

So you've provided a definition of your stance i.e. "prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group." Which makes you just as much a bigot as you claim him to be.

You havent got a clue what you are talking about so im not engaging in a back and forth with you.

 

[Sarnia Kevin]

No you can’t. You can’t say that being intolerant towards Nazis or far right racists is bigoted.
It makes you normal.

Of course you can, it's a free country, or at least it is until the Nazis take over.

 

[Sarnia Kevin]

You havent got a clue what you are talking about so im not engaging in a back and forth with you.

That's fine by me, you are obviously intolerant of other peoples' beliefs. I wonder if there's a word that would describe that ? ?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Of course you can, it's a free country, or at least it is until the Nazis take over.

Being intolerant of Nazis makes me a bigot? Sheeeeeatt I’m a bigot boys

 

[Sarnia Kevin]

Being intolerant of Nazis makes me a bigot? Sheeeeeatt I’m a bigot boys

Me too in the case of Nazis and Piers Morgan and others too numerous to mention.

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

Maybe it's nothing to go with homophobia. Maybe he's still not over the fact he went chasing the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and ended up at Everton. Things like that can haunt you forever.

If he just came out and said that, there’d undoubtedly be an outpouring of sympathy for his plight.

 

[Buzz Lightroom]

If he just came out ........... and said that, there’d undoubtedly be an outpouring of sympathy for his plight.

Unlikely outcome tbh

 

[bluestevon]

Bigotry isn't relative ... it can be clearly defined.

Actually the definition changes with the time, the place and the current society (basically what the media narrative is)

I'd say that if my employer said that to go to work on a certain day I had to wear any visible symbol which defacto shows tacit support for what that symbol represents, then I'd view it as not acceptable - even if I viewed the cause as a good thing.

Why, because a person should support something they believe in from their own choice, not because said choice is enforced onto them, otherwise the entire show of support is fake and has zero real meaning, it's just fir show, which is what that entire day of support in the french league is actually about.

Never ever seen anything said or done by Gueye to show he has any hatred for anyone, and actually respect the fact he wasn't willing to just pay lip service to something - which a lot of these players will have been doing.

 

[bluestevon]

Honestly the most boring, overplayed argument on the internet.

For the millionth time: not a single person disputes his freedom to believe and say/not say whatever he likes.

Freedom of speech, however, doesn’t free the speaker/thinker from the consequences of said speech/beliefs.

This is not a political issue whereby there are grey areas. Homophobic views are wrong. Full stop. If he holds them, he should be criticised, and don’t forget the freedom of speech of those critics while you’re at it.

Did he actually say anything lol

You're imposing your own beliefs (if true and not just for show on a forum) onto someone else.

Sport was long said to be a place not for politics, so why politicize something in sport.

 

[EFC78]

Actually the definition changes with the time, the place and the current society (basically what the media narrative is)

I'd say that if my employer said that to go to work on a certain day I had to wear any visible symbol which defacto shows tacit support for what that symbol represents, then I'd view it as not acceptable - even if I viewed the cause as a good thing.

Why, because a person should support something they believe in from their own choice, not because said choice is enforced onto them, otherwise the entire show of support is fake and has zero real meaning, it's just fir show, which is what that entire day of support in the french league is actually about.

Never ever seen anything said or done by Gueye to show he has any hatred for anyone, and actually respect the fact he wasn't willing to just pay lip service to something - which a lot of these players will have been doing.

In this current era, Sport is trying to move forward with inclusivity and to eradicate outdated cynical views like homophobia and racism.

Gueye is a high profile individual with big influence, and it wouldn't be hard for him to stand up and explain his views. But suspect he won't due to them being outdated and cynical.

Shame as he's actually one of my all time favourite Everton players (embarrassing I know but having only seen 1 major trophy, not exactly got the Alan Balls and Kevin Sheedys to choose from).

 

[PSB1]

Did he actually say anything lol

You're imposing your own beliefs (if true and not just for show on a forum) onto someone else.

Sport was long said to be a place not for politics, so why politicize something in sport.

Society is enforcing its view on this issue - or at least, western, liberal society. The chap can think what he likes but a public expression is something else. That applies across a range of issues.

The sports / politics business is a superficially attractive argument but I don't see how sport removes itself from social matters and politics.

(The whole situation with Idrissa was riddled with irony. Not least that the country he now lives in managed to find 13 million 288 thousand people to vote for the fascists and the owners of his club have a less than savoury approach to equality.)

 

[bluestevon]

In this current era, Sport is trying to move forward with inclusivity and to eradicate outdated cynical views like homophobia and racism.

Gueye is a high profile individual with big influence, and it wouldn't be hard for him to stand up and explain his views. But suspect he won't due to them being outdated and cynical.

Shame as he's actually one of my all time favourite Everton players (embarrassing I know but having only seen 1 major trophy, not exactly got the Alan Balls and Kevin Sheedys to choose from).

Thing is though is he homophobic?

Not wanting to publically show support fir a cause does not necessarily mean you have the extreme opposite view. It's the same with something close to me now in Russiaphobia that's rampant, where if you don't condemn every single thing and show unequivocally support fir Ukraine you are deemed as supporting the complete opposite.

 

[bluestevon]

Society is enforcing its view on this issue - or at least, western, liberal society. The chap can think what he likes but a public expression is something else. That applies across a range of issues.

The sports / politics business is a superficially attractive argument but I don't see how sport removes itself from social matters and politics.

(The whole situation with Idrissa was riddled with irony. Not least that the country he now lives in managed to find 13 million 288 thousand people to vote for the fascists and the owners of his club have a less than savoury approach to equality.)

That's the thing mate, it's the western liberals putting their opinion of what he should do onto someone whose from Senegal and on a global platform, Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, maybe he doesn't want images of him supporting a cause being used as a PR tool in Africa - who knows, intimately support for a cause should never be mandated especially in a public platform with global reach