Is Sam that bad?

[Fansince1988]

This season has been an absolute joke and I can’t wait until it’s over to be honest. We are light years away from the top 6 which is what we’ve been supposed to be trying to crack since Moyes stabilised us as ‘best of the rest’ only now we’ve actually got money and are spending loads of it.
The difference is when Moyes finished 4th we had no right and it didn’t matter about style of football the results were so remarkable. Right now our spending power should put us way ahead of 12 teams in the league so 7th should be an absolute given and we should be doing that and pushing for higher with a bit of class not the dross we’ve watched all season.

I agree for the most we have been terrible, but I can honestly see us finishing 7th which will be an unbelievable achievement from some of the dire football we have played. Our only threats for 7th is Leicester and Burnley both have gone off the boil lately, so I'm quite confident we will get it, it may also mean Europa. If Sam achieves that he should be given a second season imo, I'm not sure he's totally right for the club but I'm not sure who else realistically better we could get.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

Hear me out

8 games played against sides outside the top 6, Won 5, 2 draws and 1 loss

So basically we have picked up 17 points out of 24 out of games we would expect to win, whichever way you spin that it's a very good return

Now obviously we've been shocking against the top 6 sides but this is nothing new and goes back years

Does he deserve a second season?

CHANGE THE MOTTO !!

Just Better Than Some is Fine By Me.


get rid of the pie snorter & his goblin at the 1st opportunity

 

[degsy]

Hear me out

8 games played against sides outside the top 6, Won 5, 2 draws and 1 loss

So basically we have picked up 17 points out of 24 out of games we would expect to win, whichever way you spin that it's a very good return

Now obviously we've been shocking against the top 6 sides but this is nothing new and goes back years

Does he deserve a second season?

Nah, I'm done...I think he knows he's not long term too
Edit; I don't care if we finish 7th...not even sure it will happen, what with our GD, and the likelyhood that they will all get the flip flops out @ 40pts.
Even if we do it'll say more about Burnley and Leicester than us.

 

[blueblue]

Na he would be here as manager and that’s it. But he won’t be he’s not the man to take us forward at all.

I would not be so sure of that.
I think Sam was probably first choice even before Silva... but only until the summer. He has delivered what has been asked of him...nearly which was safety.
Getting the right manager for the long term is a precarious thing unless you get an elite manager like Simon.
I think Sam may be held in higher regard within football than by fans. People like Sir Alex hold him in high regard...Wrong or right.
I really do see him staying at the club in some capacity bar a late season meltdown.

 

[Toffeelover]

I agree for the most we have been terrible, but I can honestly see us finishing 7th which will be an unbelievable achievement from some of the dire football we have played. Our only threats for 7th is Leicester and Burnley both have gone off the boil lately, so I'm quite confident we will get it, it may also mean Europa. If Sam achieves that he should be given a second season imo, I'm not sure he's totally right for the club but I'm not sure who else realistically better we could get.

Clearly 6th is not possible, as you say could be 7th. However we need to turn in a few wins now especially against Burnley but that is not easy they defend very well. To get Europa depends on the others re Fa and League cups so don't count on that avenue.

However BFS does need to buck his ideas and get his team selection and tactics set up to win not defned all out. Still have doubts though if BFS can actually do that.

 

[Nicolas Hill]

I would not be so sure of that.
I think Sam was probably first choice even before Silva... but only until the summer. He has delivered what has been asked of him...nearly which was safety.
Getting the right manager for the long term is a precarious thing unless you get an elite manager like Simon.
I think Sam may be held in higher regard within football than by fans. People like Sir Alex hold him in high regard...Wrong or right.
I really do see him staying at the club in some capacity bar a late season meltdown.

Not sure Simone would be the answer. Look at Conte...wins the Premier league last season and is now on the verge of losing his job...
High profile managers are not always necessarily the obvious choices.

 

[APN_EFC]

I know it's always easy to look with hindsight, but this change, the stuttering, inconsistent improvements, and flashes of quality for 4 minutes here and there, were there, or coming, anyway under Unsy, and we could have most certainly survived with him in charge. Especially with Coleman, Rooney, Pickford, Niasse, Davies, Gana and if we had still bought Walcott anyway, we have half a team of players who have got a lot of personal pride, passion and determination to go with their quality and would not have allowed us to get relegated.

I have got a bit of a mixed opinion now of how Koeman would have done, simply because he didn't seem to have any tactics, but at least he might have played Vlasic, Lookman, Klassen and Sandro as they were 'his' signings?

I think Unsworth would have done just as well as Allardyce is doing, is what I'm trying to say.

 

[Francis]

No, thanks，poor tactics of him

 

[Seathestars]

I think he’s a boss dancer.

 

[Carlito]

It's impossible to win anything, or even finish in a position of note, with a mentality such as Allardyce's.

 

[bcblue1878]

Ha ha at this thread! We’ve just beaten a Crystal Palace side without three or four of their best players and some suddenly seem to think this bloke’s the messiah! We could easily have lost the Leicester game! Then his line last night after the game summed him up - and some have obviously fallen for it, “we’ve won today, hopefully people forget about the Arsenal result now”!
Bit like he’s hoping we all forget he shut up shop a few weeks ago against Bournemouth and West Brom - both in the bottom three when we played them! He will no doubt attempt to shut up shop again in the next two games away at Watford and Burnley!
Sooner he’s gone the better, and I for one will just laugh when I then hear him perpetuating the myth of how he rode in and saved us from relegation!

 

[SpongeBob brown shoes]

Without reading the thread the answer to your question is yes! Good lord, YES he is!

Every time he walks out that tunnel with the Everton badge on his chest I pull that face like when someones dog has just had a crap and they don't pick it up

 

[windymiller]

Our last 4 managers would suggest otherwise

What is your point exactly? We should accept our place and wallow in mediocrity? I can't tell if your a WUM or a pathetic coward, either way it's people like you that are the problem not the people that want better for this club.

 

[TonyS]

What is your point exactly? We should accept our place and wallow in mediocrity? I can't tell if your a WUM or a pathetic coward, either way it's people like you that are the problem not the people that want better for this club.

It doesn't matter what you want it what you can get

Some blues need a reality check, we are not attracting a top manager and honestly don't see who we get in that would improve on Sam, lets remember he's only been here a short space of time and is working with a squad low on confidence, slowly he's turning that around

 

[windymiller]

... 9/2 to get relegated when he came in. 100-1 this morning. Says it all really.

Is that the extent of our ambitions, though, to not go down? If it is, fine, Sam is the man for us. He will get us safe mid-table finishes year after year. We will bomb out of the cups any time we face a "big" club and never trouble the top of the table. If we retain Allardyce then all that will demonstrate is a lack of ambition for this formerly great club from the board and the further West Ham-ification of Everton.