Is Sam that bad?

[TonyS]

He'll go to a big club this summer. Not us, sadly.
P.S. Fonseca is 44 and has already managed Porto. Sam is 63 and has managed Bolton and Sunderland.

He was also sacked by Porto for being crap

 

[TonyS]

You've been telling all and sundry how great things will be under Allardyce, is your crystal ball selective?

Did i say he would be a def success mate

 

[suey_11]

Is Sam that bad?

Let’s see how Mark Hughes does next season then I’ll judge.

 

[paulf]

Blue Bill and Gravychops captured and brain washed a few on this thread How on earth anyone can defend this( cant even type his name)guy is baffling..

 

[USABlue]

It's funny how loads throw in the dig at Allardyce that he's never proven himself at a top club and things like that and yet want to bring someone in like Fonseca. I don't know much about him at all so not going to try and pretend I do but here are the list of clubs he has managed:

1º de Dezembro, Odivelas, Pinhalnovense, Aves, Paços de Ferreira, Porto, Braga, Shakhtar Donetsk

The only big club there worth mentioning is Porto and it sounds like he took them backwards, and made promises he couldn't keep:

"Fonseca succeeded Vítor Pereira at the helm of back-to-back-to-back national champions FC Porto, signing a two-year contract on 10 June 2013. He started his spell on a high note, winning the year's Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira after a 3–0 triumph against Vitória de Guimarães.

However, on 5 March 2014, following a string of poor results that left the club in the third position in the league, nine points behind leaders S.L. Benfica, he was relieved of his duties. Previously, on 12 January, he had stated that Porto would be champions in the last matchday against Benfica."

Don't understand the clamour to bring in an unproven name (at a genuine big club) who failed in his test at a big European Club to come in just because he sounds like a more fashionable name than 'Big Sam.'

I think the issue is even though managers like Foneseca are unproven, people would rather take a chance on a manager with unknown potential then carry on with Sam as he's been in England ages and won nothing. Could Fonseca flop? Of course but with Sam you know what youre going to get. "Solid" top half finish and avoid relegation. Thats his ceiling.

 

[4737carlin]

He put an offer in for him at Palace, then his next club bought him. Coincedence?

Didn't know about that Palace link to be honest, thing is we had to get a striker last window, as a knock on from not getting one in the summer. We had to get one and maybe he was the only one we could get

 

[windymiller]

It's funny how loads throw in the dig at Allardyce that he's never proven himself at a top club and things like that and yet want to bring someone in like Fonseca. I don't know much about him at all so not going to try and pretend I do but here are the list of clubs he has managed:

1º de Dezembro, Odivelas, Pinhalnovense, Aves, Paços de Ferreira, Porto, Braga, Shakhtar Donetsk

The only big club there worth mentioning is Porto and it sounds like he took them backwards, and made promises he couldn't keep:

"Fonseca succeeded Vítor Pereira at the helm of back-to-back-to-back national champions FC Porto, signing a two-year contract on 10 June 2013. He started his spell on a high note, winning the year's Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira after a 3–0 triumph against Vitória de Guimarães.

However, on 5 March 2014, following a string of poor results that left the club in the third position in the league, nine points behind leaders S.L. Benfica, he was relieved of his duties. Previously, on 12 January, he had stated that Porto would be champions in the last matchday against Benfica."

Don't understand the clamour to bring in an unproven name (at a genuine big club) who failed in his test at a big European Club to come in just because he sounds like a more fashionable name than 'Big Sam.'

Bringing someone like Fonseca in is a risk, no one sensible would claim otherwise, but how are we to make progress without taking risks?
Realistically, what is the best case scenario with Allardyce? Based on his history and the evidence from this season, regularly finishing 7th with no progress in cup competitions would seem to be the upper limit to me.
Maybe he'll surprise me but he has made league progress over cup success his priority at every club he has been at and lacks conviction against the top clubs so I find it hard to believe this pattern will change.

 

[USABlue]

He was also sacked by Porto for being crap

And sam was sacked by Blackpool and West Ham lol goes both ways

 

[windymiller]

Did i say he would be a def success mate

It's not entirely clear what your view is. If you would clarify I think many of us would appreciate it.

 

[windymiller]

Didn't know about that Palace link to be honest, thing is we had to get a striker last window, as a knock on from not getting one in the summer. We had to get one and maybe he was the only one we could get

If we're not going to play him, I would rather we had signed a left back with the money.

 

[TonyS]

He put an offer in for him at Palace, then his next club bought him. Coincedence?

You sure mate

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-besiktas-striker-cenk-tosun-says-roy-hodgson

 

[TonyS]

It's not entirely clear what your view is. If you would clarify I think many of us would appreciate it.

That giving him another season might be a good option

 

[tadpole]

Worrying that we have fans actually defending the fat mess.

Personally I'm more worried that we have fans who think it's acceptable to attack people for their size.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Personally I'm more worried that we have fans who think it's acceptable to attack people for their size.

How's it attacking him when, A. he is fat, and B. a mess.

 

[Addo]

He's cold lumpy gravy and the gravy should never be warmed up or the lumps be removed for the next service (sorry, season). Bin and start again.