James McCarthy

[sageyefc]

Your talking nonsense mate
He's the future of our team and has more talent in his bollokks than McCarthy

And as for team suffering to aide a players development
I would rather take that gamble on a talented kid than have some bang average player in our team( not saying this is McCarthy) playing for 5yrs week in week out
And getting us nowhere

Also we had a 20 yrs old CB playing a lot last seaon
Ok stones had a great season but he still made mistakes that costs us goals

Also lukaku scored 8 goals in the league from open play in 30odd games and some games he was shocking
But still played every week
You could argue that we are devolving lukaku so he can [Poor language removed] off in 2yrs

And what about Del shall we just play him in the 21's next season just in case his development effects the 1st team? And play Mcgeady instead?

Maybe you don't realise this but everton can't spend 150mil on world class ready made players
To play number 8 & 10 and buy 2 world class wingers for next season

If the choice is to get average free transfers like cleverly or ones past their best like Barry or no mark journey men no ones heard of
Or take a chance on youngsters who will make mistakes and need time to develop
I know which option I would go for

In that position McCarthy > Ross every day at the minute.

If ross is to play deeper, its next to McCcarthy not in place, and we need to pick and choose when to do it


And judging by your past post, are you related to ross? He could coimmit a murder and you'd still have your tongue that far up his asshole

 

[Stephenlloyd]

In that position McCarthy > Ross every day at the minute.

If ross is to play deeper, its next to McCcarthy not in place, and we need to pick and choose when to do it


And judging by your past post, are you related to ross? He could coimmit a murder and you'd still have your tongue that far up his asshole

No I will leave that to Wayne lineker

The Way you talk about McCarthy you would think he was Reid & bracewell rolled into one

He's more Alan harper

For me he's plays infront of the back 4 or nowhere

 

[mythbuster]

He's more Alan harper

The feck was wrong with Harper like?

 

[Dario Terracotta]

The feck was wrong with Harper like?

He looked like Plug,that was about it thoughlol

 

[EFC78]

I have mixed feelings about McCarthy as a player in that I do agree that he is limited, but the problem with this argument is that it could be applied to every defensive centre midfielder that's ever been effective. For a start, no defensive midfielder is likely to score goals, which could lead to an accusation that they don't contribute enough to the team. In my opinion, players like McCarthy are absolutely vital to the team and it showed 2 seasons ago, and had he had the creative midfielder next to him that we needed last season instead of an ageing Barry or a very similar Besic then he would have stood out even more.

McCarthy is one of the best in his position in the entire league and I think those who slate him for being limited aren't understanding the type of position he plays. He's full of energy, tracks back well, gets stuck in and has great reading of danger developing to get back and cover. He never has been and never will be a Fabregas type player. He just doesn't have it in him to create chances regularly, have vision, smash goals in left right and centre. Just in the same way Fabregas is never going to be able to play the role McCarthy does with the same effect. And before anyone has a go, Fabregas is clearly the better player.

The problem McCarthy has, and which has lead to a lot of criticism, is that he is basically wasted if he is expected to be the creative player in the centre. Playing for Ireland in their last 2 games highlighted this perfectly. He was next to Glenn Whelan who is very similar to McCarthy in his limitations, yet no where near as good at what he does as McCarthy is. People then expect McCarthy to turn in to Fabregas or Cazorla when he doesn't have it in him.

Barry was actually fairly creative 2 seasons ago and had a much better range of passing than McCarthy does which allowed McCarthy to shine in the more defensive role. Last season though, Barry showed his age and McCarthy ended up looking even more limited as a result. Our most creative midfielder by a mile is Gibson and he outshone both McCarthy and Besic within 5 minutes of being on (Leicester at home I think) than those two did all game. McCarthy and Besic won't work without a creative player next to them, just like Whelan and McCarthy won't.

In conclusion, we need a creative player or Barkley to improve in order to bring out the best in him.

 

[sageyefc]

No I will leave that to Wayne lineker

The Way you talk about McCarthy you would think he was Reid & bracewell rolled into one

He's more Alan harper

For me he's plays infront of the back 4 or nowhere

im an everton fan first and foremost, then a ross fan second.

We aren't a one man team, to say play ross week in week out even if its to the detriment of the team isnt right.

Specifically on McCarthy. Anyone with eyes can see hes been better than ross over the past 2 years and has been much more important to our team than him.

Yes Ross has much more talent, more talent than most players in our squad infact, but McCarthy has actually performed and is more deserving of the spot.

 

[Neiler]

What people forget about McCarthy is that he is so boss and so senior as a pro, they forget that he is still 24 and still developing he wont be at his peak for another 2 - 4 years.

Yet he can still boss a game. A brilliant player who is going to be even better.

You hear so much about your Wilshires, Delphs, Masons - none of them a patch on McCarthy.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

I have mixed feelings about McCarthy as a player in that I do agree that he is limited, but the problem with this argument is that it could be applied to every defensive centre midfielder that's ever been effective. For a start, no defensive midfielder is likely to score goals, which could lead to an accusation that they don't contribute enough to the team. In my opinion, players like McCarthy are absolutely vital to the team and it showed 2 seasons ago, and had he had the creative midfielder next to him that we needed last season instead of an ageing Barry or a very similar Besic then he would have stood out even more.

McCarthy is one of the best in his position in the entire league and I think those who slate him for being limited aren't understanding the type of position he plays. He's full of energy, tracks back well, gets stuck in and has great reading of danger developing to get back and cover. He never has been and never will be a Fabregas type player. He just doesn't have it in him to create chances regularly, have vision, smash goals in left right and centre. Just in the same way Fabregas is never going to be able to play the role McCarthy does with the same effect. And before anyone has a go, Fabregas is clearly the better player.

The problem McCarthy has, and which has lead to a lot of criticism, is that he is basically wasted if he is expected to be the creative player in the centre. Playing for Ireland in their last 2 games highlighted this perfectly. He was next to Glenn Whelan who is very similar to McCarthy in his limitations, yet no where near as good at what he does as McCarthy is. People then expect McCarthy to turn in to Fabregas or Cazorla when he doesn't have it in him.

Barry was actually fairly creative 2 seasons ago and had a much better range of passing than McCarthy does which allowed McCarthy to shine in the more defensive role. Last season though, Barry showed his age and McCarthy ended up looking even more limited as a result. Our most creative midfielder by a mile is Gibson and he outshone both McCarthy and Besic within 5 minutes of being on (Leicester at home I think) than those two did all game. McCarthy and Besic won't work without a creative player next to them, just like Whelan and McCarthy won't.

In conclusion, we need a creative player or Barkley to improve in order to bring out the best in him.

If you have read my posts not just today but previous ones about McCarthy you will see that I have no issue with him playing the sitting midfielder role

And think this is his best possition
And would like to see barkley next To him for most of next season
As its very unlikely we will get top 4

But apparently this will be detrimental to the team so let's play Barry or Cleverly next to him
And see how that goes

I just unlike most on here don't think McCarthy is a good enough attacking midfielder

 

[Saint Domingo]

Err, yeah, that's generally how footy works. 'Lose' good players, and shockingly, the team might not be as good at footy.

Take out Messi from Barca = worse team.

Take out Ronaldo from Real = worse team

Silva from City, Hazard from Chelsea.... Need I go on?

Difference is though if these teams lose players they lose a slight edge to their performance. Barca might be third rather than first ditto City. They don't drop from chasing champions league to battling relegation. One of Martinez's failings is he has ruled out creativity in central midfield, you can see that in his purchases of Barry McCarthy Besic and Cleverley. He's therefore limiting playmaking to just the flanks and lo and behold with s few injuries your whole team is screwed. No other team does this. Tether teams have creativity from deep lying midfield, creativity at number 10, and creativity out wide. We have three ball retainers in midfield and last season had Naismith and Barkley on the wings. Probably explains why we were absolutely diabolical until Osman and Gibson came back for some cameos and got us the points we needed.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Core of Bobbys play. Wont be going nowhere dont worry.

 

[Saint Domingo]

What people forget about McCarthy is that he is so boss and so senior as a pro, they forget that he is still 24 and still developing he wont be at his peak for another 2 - 4 years.

Yet he can still boss a game. A brilliant player who is going to be even better.

You hear so much about your Wilshires, Delphs, Masons - none of them a patch on McCarthy.

Wilshere is miles ahead of McCarthy. He's not always fit or in top form but he scored the same amount of goals in one game that MCCarthy got in a whole season for us. At 17, Wilshere went up against Xavi Iniesta and Busquets in their prime in a performance that Arsenal fans still talk about now. I've seen McCarthy schooled by Henderson and Allen. McCarthy is a great player off the ball. On it, he is very average and nowhere near Wilshere.

 

[The Cowboy]

What people forget about McCarthy is that he is so boss and so senior as a pro, they forget that he is still 24 and still developing he wont be at his peak for another 2 - 4 years.

Yet he can still boss a game. A brilliant player who is going to be even better.

You hear so much about your Wilshires, Delphs, Masons - none of them a patch on McCarthy.

Oh god, one Wilshere is bad enough, now we have more than one of him!

 

[mythbuster]

Difference is though if these teams lose players they lose a slight edge to their performance. Barca might be third rather than first ditto City. They don't drop from chasing champions league to battling relegation. One of Martinez's failings is he has ruled out creativity in central midfield, you can see that in his purchases of Barry McCarthy Besic and Cleverley. He's therefore limiting playmaking to just the flanks and lo and behold with s few injuries your whole team is screwed. No other team does this. Tether teams have creativity from deep lying midfield, creativity at number 10, and creativity out wide. We have three ball retainers in midfield and last season had Naismith and Barkley on the wings. Probably explains why we were absolutely diabolical until Osman and Gibson came back for some cameos and got us the points we needed.

Barca, Real, City? So what you're saying is - they have better squads than us?

Quite how you argue that it was a lack of wingers that cost us, until Gibson and Osman come back, err I can't even be arsed. Stop talking bollocks.

 

[Neiler]

Wilshere is miles ahead of McCarthy. He's not always fit or in top form but he scored the same amount of goals in one game that MCCarthy got in a whole season for us. At 17, Wilshere went up against Xavi Iniesta and Busquets in their prime in a performance that Arsenal fans still talk about now. I've seen McCarthy schooled by Henderson and Allen. McCarthy is a great player off the ball. On it, he is very average and nowhere near Wilshere.

But that depends on the measure you are using - if its goal scoring then Wilshire is the most attack minded, but he is playing in a team with a better calibre of player overall. I remember Roy Keane as an attacking midfeilder who developed in to an excellent box - box midfeilder - i see McCarthy doing the same albeit in reverse. IMO he will be a much better well rounded player then Wilshire.

I think TBF - Mcxcarthy played in the FA Cup final at 21 and bossed Yaya Toure and David Silva - who are better then Xavi and Iniesta IMO.

 

[kithnou]

Get two players of attacking flair who can score goals around McCarthy and his defficiency won't be prevalent.