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James McCarthy

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Tubey said:
I wrote two things that McCarthy actually did on the pitch today, nobody could dispute that it actually happened, and because it didn't fit in with the general optimism of a new signing then the "gang" decided to have a pop.

Still waiting for someone to point out an instance McCarthy did something well, which is what I'd have liked to see as a discussion instead of 50 variations on "Tubey is a prick".
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He made a few neat passes to some players and closed the ball down well when we were under pressure. Unfortunately I haven't got a photographic memory or I'd give you the exact instances and the names of the players he played it to.
 
bluemangroup said:
He moved well for the ball from what I saw, made himself available to his team, kept it relatively simple, albeit didn't split their defence much. Pressed a couple of Chelsea's players without the ball.
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In other words, did what a defensive midfielder does.

What I mean is, can you name an instance of specific play where you though "well in McCarthy lad". I lost count of the amount of times I had that thought for Barry and Naismith tonight, for example.

His performance was mediocre/average/whatever, but there were specific instances which concerned me. It didn't make it a bad performance, but it worried me long term. I noticed things that Joe Allen and Jack Rodwell have made a career out of, and that's not a compliment. I'm not saying he's definitely going to be poor long term, I'm just noting the concern.
 
I thought he brought good energy to the midfield when we started to look a little jaded and he looked pretty lively. I fully expect him to be a terrific player for us in the years to come and well worth the money paid.
 
He was alright like. Put in a shift. 20 mins in a game like for a debut that means virtually nothing though. We'll see what he's like when he gets a few starts.
 

Tubey said:
Yeah I'm bang out of order. Next time I won't point out discussion points on a players performance that actually happened during play on an Everton forum.
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It's not about James McCarthy though. It's about the team. Everton. We were winning 1-0 and it would be a massive shame if we had not held onto that lead. He came on tactically for a striker, we moved Mirallas up front and he tried to fit in to the last 20 minutes and help us hold onto the result or keep the performance going. The second half we were under the kosh the first 20 minutes. You are being overly harsh but I do understand where you're coming from because we spent £13-14m on him and you are just making some observations based on that.
 
Tubey said:
In other words, did what a defensive midfielder does.

What I mean is, can you name an instance of specific play where you though "well in McCarthy lad". I lost count of the amount of times I had that thought for Barry and Naismith tonight, for example.

His performance was mediocre/average/whatever, but there were specific instances which concerned me. It didn't make it a bad performance, but it worried me long term. I noticed things that Joe Allen and Jack Rodwell have made a career out of, and that's not a compliment. I'm not saying he's definitely going to be poor long term, I'm just noting the concern.
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That whole argument was over nothing though. It was a 20 min sub appearance when he will have been instructed to keep it as simple as is physically possible for the team. Martinez (and myself, for that matter) would have lost his sh*t and rightly so if James had decided to make his sub appearance all about him and tried a hollywood pass or driving run and lost us the ball unnecessarily. There's no concern to raise yet and trust me, I was at least as sceptical about McCarthy as you were/are.
 
Tubey said:
In other words, did what a defensive midfielder does.

What I mean is, can you name an instance of specific play where you though "well in McCarthy lad". I lost count of the amount of times I had that thought for Barry and Naismith tonight, for example.

His performance was mediocre/average/whatever, but there were specific instances which concerned me. It didn't make it a bad performance, but it worried me long term. I noticed things that Joe Allen and Jack Rodwell have made a career out of, and that's not a compliment. I'm not saying he's definitely going to be poor long term, I'm just noting the concern.
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Well yeah. But then if its done well its a good defensive midfielder, isn't it? It was a cameo, it's very difficult to gauge much at all. I think the good cancelled out any of the bad you've seen, but to mark it down as an average performance seems unnecessarily harsh. We won, the team was good, McCarthy did no harm and played a fairly small part in helping keeping Chelsea out. No real impression of McCarthy should be taken from that.
 

Didn't do much
Didn't expect much
Will probably take until Nov-Jan to adjust
It took Fellani quite a bit time of to adjust as well.
 
bluemangroup said:
Well yeah. But then if its done well its a good defensive midfielder, isn't it? It was a cameo, it's very difficult to gauge much at all. I think the good cancelled out any of the bad you've seen, but to mark it down as an average performance seems unnecessarily harsh. We won, the team was good, McCarthy did no harm and played a fairly small part in helping keeping Chelsea out. No real impression of McCarthy should be taken from that.
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I think you're confusing me labelling him as average and thinking I mean bad.

I noted unimpressive instances of his play such as the one yard crab pass, amidst an overall average performance.

On the flipside, you could point out unimpressive instances of play from Barkley amidst what was overall a really good performance.

If I were calling him bad, I'd use the word bad.
 
Tubey said:
I think you're confusing me labelling him as average and thinking I mean bad.

I noted unimpressive instances of his play such as the one yard crab pass, amidst an overall average performance.

On the flipside, you could point out unimpressive instances of play from Barkley amidst what was overall a really good performance.

If I were calling him bad, I'd use the word bad.
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Didn't you say bog-standard, you're going to pick on his every move now, just like you will do with Martinez. Most of us know you don't like him and believe we've wasted our money but to use today performance to **** him off is pretty low. None of us are saying he had a great debut, he kept it simple. Don't expect this kid to start pouring forward and scoring goals or the king of assists.
 

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