January 2015 transfer window ( No GIFs allowed )(Nor fish puns ffs)

[BlueLlama]

I dont really know what's happening in this thread anymore.

Cat gif time?

 

[ijjysmith]

“We will always work hard to try to see what we can do but it is not a priority in this window,” he said.

“The priority was to make sure the summer window was exactly what we wanted and we achieved that."


He doesn't say its not going to happen at all. But if someone becomes available for the right price. Wait and see.

He just said its "NOT A PRIORITY".

Doesn't mean "NO".

It is though isn't it?

 

[ijjysmith]

Cat gif time?

HAHAHAHA

 

[hetion]

Utterly never ever going to happen but I would give a testicle for Kevin De Bruyne. Incredible playmaker (more key passes per game this season than Fabregas, Tadic, Sanchez, and Fabregas is the only player with more assists), 23 years old, and best buds with Lukaku. Imagine him threading balls through to big Rom all day for a decade. Dream!

 

[johnnyW]

Let's revisit this conversation briefly, in a serious manner. The recent instigatory comment:





I generally agree with toffeejack; Martinez has done much to show that he likes to include youth players in his side and doesn't strike me as one to play them "only when forced to"







I agree with all prior responses. Moyes seemed to dislike Barkley's mistakes, desiring perfection and maturity. Martinez alternately seems to want to give room for development and creativity, mistakes and all. Maybe many other managers would have done the same as Martinez, but many others probably would not have done any different than Moyes. I find nothing supportable in your initial statement, and it gets wide disapproval.





Lukaku was a starter for WBA, and would have been for most sides in the league last year. Mourinho seems to disapprove of his style/maturity/discipline, or simply doesn't think he fits the system currently employed at Chelsea, but Martinez welcomed the opportunity to bring him to Goodison, even if for a season, and give him the lead role. Again, little evidence to find your statement supportable.






Martinez praised Stones from early days and gave him ample opportunity early (remember Juve?); no doubt it took Martinez some time to feel comfortable breaking up his long-serving backfield to insert the 19 year old, but he was a frequent contributor as a sub early in league play and Martinez did not seem to hesitate handing over the reigns/keys/<insert metaphor for complete liberty and authority> when injury prompted the action.










Most kinda disagree with you, dude



My sarcasm and selection of apt cat gifs are more fitting in most conversations than serious details and my footballing knowledge, so I default to these in most cases. I'm sorry for the offense and would like to think we can work this out, so long as you take the time to read and consider the opinions of those here and present valid arguments. Otherwise I shall taunt you a second time.

Martinez only played stones, del and Lukaku when forced to by injury, suspension lukaku first sub came after a player was injured so he got subbed on. Stones first start in the leauge cases as a result of distin being injured. del his first start came as a result of pienaar being injured. how can you argue these facts? they where forced decisions because we had no one else. yes the players rose to the opportunity and it all worked out for the best but martinez didn't plan it did he.

Barkley was going nowhere so much that 2-3 seasons ago 3 of the biggest teams in England where breaking the door down for him. With ross I feel it was either play him or loose him. martinez handled him very well last season. This season not so much.

Stones a couple of cameos every now and then to sure up the defence and see out a game. that's fair enough but would he of got those cameos if alcaraz was fit? Am not so sure. also "did not hesitate" he was our only fit back up center back, there was literally no one else.

Most disagree with me of the four posts of your choice one was you and two where the same guy. hardly A majority vote is it.

my main point is and has always been that he has brought through all these youth players and he hasn't only one youth player from our academy has actually played for us in the leauge since he took over and not very much.

I admit he plays young players but going out and splashing 28 mil, 15 mil or hell even 3 mil imo doesn't count as bringing youth through because even though they are young they have done something to deserve that price tag.

no worries mate I love a good debate. would be boring if we all agreed on stuff. We All have different opinions on the game, just the other day me mate over heard a guy in the pub saying "that barkley is a load of crap, he's just another Wilshere" and he was a blue aswell.

 

[hopleaf]

Utterly never ever going to happen but I would give a testicle for Kevin De Bruyne. Incredible playmaker (more key passes per game this season than Fabregas, Tadic, Sanchez, and Fabregas is the only player with more assists), 23 years old, and best buds with Lukaku. Imagine him threading balls through to big Rom all day for a decade. Dream!

In today's inflated transfer market it'd probably have to be both testicles

 

[johnnyW]

It's perfectly possible that the youth players aren't ready yet or simply aren't good enough just yet I suppose. I think Martinez has gotten good press with his work with youths because our younger players just so happen to be our best players and he does support them irrespective of whether they make mistakes, which is contrary to our former manager.

That is absolutely fair enuff and if that's what he believes. i just think players like Browning would be making mistakes and getting better while distin is just making mistakes.

I just don't think Martinez has brought through any youth player from the academy to justify this reputation he has on this fourm for bringing academy players through. because he you know, hasn't.

 

[sageyefc]

That is absolutely fair enuff and if that's what he believes. i just think players like Browning would be making mistakes and getting better while distin is just making mistakes.

I just don't think Martinez has brought through any youth player from the academy to justify this reputation he has on this fourm for bringing academy players through. because he you know, hasn't.

As Roberto said last season, those that are there or there abouts will be around the first team and those who aren't quite there will have loan moves.
He had a good look at the majority of our u21s in preseason, the ones who looked nowhere near, either stayed at that level or alot of them have been out on various loans, the others who look more ready ie. Garbutt and Browning have stayed with the first team and have been given minutes at the right times.


And to the second part of your post, not bringing through many academy players, ffs hes been here only a season, we dont have that many exceptional talents to bring through other than the lads in and around the u18s, but its far to early to be putting them in at that age.

Hes gotten that reputation for youth by playing the likes of stones and Barkley, he brought them through properly. Theres not many managers that wouldve stuck with them at times, especially when they made the odd mistake

 

[LinekersLegs]

Martinez only played stones, del and Lukaku when forced to by injury, suspension lukaku first sub came after a player was injured so he got subbed on. Stones first start in the leauge cases as a result of distin being injured. del his first start came as a result of pienaar being injured. how can you argue these facts? they where forced decisions because we had no one else. yes the players rose to the opportunity and it all worked out for the best but martinez didn't plan it did he.

Barkley was going nowhere so much that 2-3 seasons ago 3 of the biggest teams in England where breaking the door down for him. With ross I feel it was either play him or loose him. martinez handled him very well last season. This season not so much.

Stones a couple of cameos every now and then to sure up the defence and see out a game. that's fair enough but would he of got those cameos if alcaraz was fit? Am not so sure. also "did not hesitate" he was our only fit back up center back, there was literally no one else.

Most disagree with me of the four posts of your choice one was you and two where the same guy. hardly A majority vote is it.

my main point is and has always been that he has brought through all these youth players and he hasn't only one youth player from our academy has actually played for us in the leauge since he took over and not very much.

I admit he plays young players but going out and splashing 28 mil, 15 mil or hell even 3 mil imo doesn't count as bringing youth through because even though they are young they have done something to deserve that price tag.

no worries mate I love a good debate. would be boring if we all agreed on stuff. We All have different opinions on the game, just the other day me mate over heard a guy in the pub saying "that barkley is a load of crap, he's just another Wilshere" and he was a blue aswell.

But they weren't forced choices because we had no-one else.

Lukaku's first start was vs Newcastle , the 2nd game after he joined us and Jelavic was fit and on the bench. He may not have started the West Ham game and come on due to injury as you say but he'd only been with us for a week iirc by that point because of the international break so hadn't really had chance to train with the team much. He then started every league game until the New Year, it was very clear he was first choice striker from the moment he signed.

Stones had to wait for an injury for his first league start at CB but he'd started in the COC games and Martinez had brought him in as a sub at RB several times prior, it was clear he was trying to ease him into the team.

Del took quite a long time understandably to develop the phsyicality to last for 90mins, as his starts in the COC showed, but Martinez didn't hesitate to throw him into the derby at half time when Baines went off - he had Osman and Naismith both on the bench which would have been far "safer" choices.

Martinez didn't have to sub Browning on for this years derby or play Garbutt versus Wolfsberg, he could have used Hibbert both times.

 

[TheFinnFan]

ANYONE?

 

[Raino85]

Watching mainz vrs bayern at the moment. Granted iv only seen 60 minutes of him but karius looks very confident and assured with good feet in mainz's goal

 

[SerenityNigh]

Martinez only played stones, del and Lukaku when forced to by injury, suspension lukaku first sub came after a player was injured so he got subbed on. Stones first start in the leauge cases as a result of distin being injured. del his first start came as a result of pienaar being injured. how can you argue these facts? they where forced decisions because we had no one else. yes the players rose to the opportunity and it all worked out for the best but martinez didn't plan it did he.

Some of your comments are interesting, but you spoil it all with entirely odd conclusions. I would argue rather that Martinez did plan it all entirely. Otherwise why would he bring in Lukaku and Deulofeu and keep them on the team sheet unless he was planning on playing them? It's a bit weird to say that a manager was bringing in loan players but not planning to use them. You might argue that he's no longer planning to use Atsu, but even if that's true it's based on what he's seen in training or in matches. What you saw with the kids last year isn't too different from what you've seen out of Besic this year. Give the kid some training and time to settle into the team and system and see what happens. I'd not be surprised at all of Besic featured in most of the matches in 2015.

Barkley was going nowhere so much that 2-3 seasons ago 3 of the biggest teams in England where breaking the door down for him. With ross I feel it was either play him or loose him. martinez handled him very well last season. This season not so much.

Stones a couple of cameos every now and then to sure up the defence and see out a game. that's fair enough but would he of got those cameos if alcaraz was fit? Am not so sure. also "did not hesitate" he was our only fit back up center back, there was literally no one else.

Most disagree with me of the four posts of your choice one was you and two where the same guy. hardly A majority vote is it.

my main point is and has always been that he has brought through all these youth players and he hasn't only one youth player from our academy has actually played for us in the leauge since he took over and not very much.

I admit he plays young players but going out and splashing 28 mil, 15 mil or hell even 3 mil imo doesn't count as bringing youth through because even though they are young they have done something to deserve that price tag.

no worries mate I love a good debate. would be boring if we all agreed on stuff. We All have different opinions on the game, just the other day me mate over heard a guy in the pub saying "that barkley is a load of crap, he's just another Wilshere" and he was a blue aswell.

If you're arguing that he's not promoting kids out of the academy, that may be a reasonable point. But that's entirely different than suggesting he won't play young players, which I think he's shown he's willing to do. But if he won't play kids in the academy (who he's often sent on loan for their development), the question then becomes why? Something obvious to consider is that many of the best prospects in the academy seem to fit positions that are very deep or very talented. Where are all the wingers and attacking midfielders in the academy that can be promoted to fill gaps in the first team?

 

[Robertor]

Watching mainz vrs bayern at the moment. Granted iv only seen 60 minutes of him but karius looks very confident and assured with good feet in mainz's goal

Take him in a heartbeat. Only 21 too.

 

[johnnyW]

Some of your comments are interesting, but you spoil it all with entirely odd conclusions. I would argue rather that Martinez did plan it all entirely. Otherwise why would he bring in Lukaku and Deulofeu and keep them on the team sheet unless he was planning on playing them? It's a bit weird to say that a manager was bringing in loan players but not planning to use them. You might argue that he's no longer planning to use Atsu, but even if that's true it's based on what he's seen in training or in matches. What you saw with the kids last year isn't too different from what you've seen out of Besic this year. Give the kid some training and time to settle into the team and system and see what happens. I'd not be surprised at all of Besic featured in most of the matches in 2015.



If you're arguing that he's not promoting kids out of the academy, that may be a reasonable point. But that's entirely different than suggesting he won't play young players, which I think he's shown he's willing to do. But if he won't play kids in the academy (who he's often sent on loan for their development), the question then becomes why? Something obvious to consider is that many of the best prospects in the academy seem to fit positions that are very deep or very talented. Where are all the wingers and attacking midfielders in the academy that can be promoted to fill gaps in the first team?

I totally agree with that and like I said before he dose play young players I can't denied that but I just feel that injury kind of forced his hand with giving them there big chances to show what they can do and am made up he had the guts to stick with them. sometimes thats the toughest thing to do as a manager.

like you said in your other post though he has only been here a year and a half so he hasn't really had much of a chance to work with the academy and bring them through but yet he has this reputation for bringing youth players through. young players yes, youth players no but I feel that is only at the minute given time he will probably earn that reputation.

Tbh I think this has all came from people thinking I ment young players when I youth.

 

[johnnyW]

But they weren't forced choices because we had no-one else.

Lukaku's first start was vs Newcastle , the 2nd game after he joined us and Jelavic was fit and on the bench. He may not have started the West Ham game and come on due to injury as you say but he'd only been with us for a week iirc by that point because of the international break so hadn't really had chance to train with the team much. He then started every league game until the New Year, it was very clear he was first choice striker from the moment he signed.

Stones had to wait for an injury for his first league start at CB but he'd started in the COC games and Martinez had brought him in as a sub at RB several times prior, it was clear he was trying to ease him into the team.

Del took quite a long time understandably to develop the phsyicality to last for 90mins, as his starts in the COC showed, but Martinez didn't hesitate to throw him into the derby at half time when Baines went off - he had Osman and Naismith both on the bench which would have been far "safer" choices.

Martinez didn't have to sub Browning on for this years derby or play Garbutt versus Wolfsberg, he could have used Hibbert both times.

with kone and jelavic not scoring in our first 5 matches lukaku might of been brought in as first team striker but I thought at the time it was going to be more of a del type of loan last 20 type of player and the occasional start. an if we Are honest I think alot of other people thought that too.

but like I said they got the opportunity through injurys and suspension to really show there stuff and they took that chance. martinez stock with them fair play but the chances where not of martinez making.

I don't really count the Coc because martinez has shown nothing for it really has he.

martinez did play hibbert in the derby Browning only got on because hibbert started getting done by stearling and he did play hibbert over Garbutt in the west ham match massively out of position. They have had opportunities this season but I feel like they(especially Browning) could of had alot more.