January 2015 transfer window ( No GIFs allowed )(Nor fish puns ffs)

[johnnyW]

He makes some excellent points (a few iffy, but mostly good) and all you can do is belittle him with sarcasm because you can't actually argue against what he's saying. Get the hell out.

cheers man. my whole point in the beginning was just that although martinez my buy young players and they have had games with the exception of barkley he hasn't brought anyone from the academy through yet, not really.

I Just feel that there has been plenty of chances this season with injurys, suspensions and players out of form to see one or two of the youth to feature.

I don't really understanot his reputation at this club for bringing the youth through is all.

 

[ijjysmith]

VOM

Nastasic is leaving City in the window

Martinez says no major transfer


F
F
S

 

[bluemangroup]

He makes some excellent points (a few iffy, but mostly good) and all you can do is belittle him with sarcasm because you can't actually argue against what he's saying. Get the hell out.

On your authority?

 

[bluemangroup]

cheers man. my whole point in the beginning was just that although martinez my buy young players and they have had games with the exception of barkley he hasn't brought anyone from the academy through yet, not really.

I Just feel that there has been plenty of chances this season with injurys, suspensions and players out of form to see one or two of the youth to feature.

I don't really understanot his reputation at this club for bringing the youth through is all.

It's perfectly possible that the youth players aren't ready yet or simply aren't good enough just yet I suppose. I think Martinez has gotten good press with his work with youths because our younger players just so happen to be our best players and he does support them irrespective of whether they make mistakes, which is contrary to our former manager.

 

[bainesontoast]

Bayern only want 12m euros for Shaqiri, apparently. We wouldn't stand a chance in getting him but don't let anyone tell you the bargains aren't out there.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Let's revisit this conversation briefly, in a serious manner. The recent instigatory comment:

martinez has this reputation for bringing youth through but it seems to me since he has been here he has only played youth players when he has been forced to.

??? forced to play barkley in his first game in charge? forced to sign a 21 year old lukaku instead of an experienced striker. forced to play stones ahead of plenty of defenders?

I generally agree with toffeejack; Martinez has done much to show that he likes to include youth players in his side and doesn't strike me as one to play them "only when forced to"

barkley dosent countil as he is one of England's top young talents and pretty much all managers would of been playing him at that stage of his career.

Barkley wasn't one of England's top talents until Martinez gave him a proper run in the side.

Barkley had been shifted from pillar to post. He signed Rom getting rid of the 'elder' Jelavic.

Barkley was heading no where, god only knows what wouldve happened if roberto never come in and give him a real chance in his natural position and sorted his head out,

except moyes?

I agree with all prior responses. Moyes seemed to dislike Barkley's mistakes, desiring perfection and maturity. Martinez alternately seems to want to give room for development and creativity, mistakes and all. Maybe many other managers would have done the same as Martinez, but many others probably would not have done any different than Moyes. I find nothing supportable in your initial statement, and it gets wide disapproval.

lukaku forced his way into the squad by playing well as a sub, kone being injured and jelavic being gash, so martinez was pretty much forced to play him.

Lukaku basically played from day one.

Rom was signed as a first choice striker

Lukaku was a starter for WBA, and would have been for most sides in the league last year. Mourinho seems to disapprove of his style/maturity/discipline, or simply doesn't think he fits the system currently employed at Chelsea, but Martinez welcomed the opportunity to bring him to Goodison, even if for a season, and give him the lead role. Again, little evidence to find your statement supportable.

Stones only got his run of games by jags and alcaraz getting injured. In fact he preferred alcaraz over stones in many matches when jags or distan couldn't play(when alcaraz was available).

Jags and Distin were imperious last year and so there was no point breaking up that partnership until injury forced it. Stones was given a run and preferred over Alcaraz and Heitinga when injury struck.

He sold the 'elder Heitinga' knowing Stones was able to step up.

Stones wouldve still been playing reserve football as a RB had roberto not come in, recognized him as a center back and played him despite the odd cock up.

Martinez praised Stones from early days and gave him ample opportunity early (remember Juve?); no doubt it took Martinez some time to feel comfortable breaking up his long-serving backfield to insert the 19 year old, but he was a frequent contributor as a sub early in league play and Martinez did not seem to hesitate handing over the reigns/keys/<insert metaphor for complete liberty and authority> when injury prompted the action.

so I kinda disagree there dude.

Certainly not how I remember it.

Browning came in where required this season, as did Garbutt last season. Ledson would have played versus Hull was it not for the u17 European Championship.
Deulofeu was given game time until he was more ready for the league.
Martinez has given youth a chance if they are good enough instead of playing older players of a lesser quality.

What utter bollocks.

What is beyond belief is that you claim he doesnt play the youngsters; well sorry but if he didnt and these injuries had all occured, why didnt he sign players on free transfers i.e. experienced professionals?

Luke Garbutt hasnt played because Baines is the best left back in England.

He has signed Rom, McCarthy, Besic, Robles (all young) as well as tie young players such as Stones, Barkley, Ledson, Browning to new deals. He has also loaned young players such as Atsu and Del boy.

Dont talk [Poor language removed] mate, its embarrassing.

Get a grip,

Del came as an impact sub with the hopes of him breaking through, he did that then got injured and when he came back it took him a while to get his sharpness back, how many other top 5 teams wouldve brought in a young Spaniard with little top level experience and use them so frequently even as a sub

Don't understand the mindset that would exert that much energy looking for negatives. Bobbys not a god of anything but he has used the youth and seems to pay more attention to our youth setup than the last guy. He is only just under a season and a half with the club. You don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. With a bit more time and a couple more transfer windows we will have the kind of team he really wants, and I am very confident it will be pretty youthful.

Most kinda disagree with you, dude

I Just want to take a moment to wonder why people on this fourm can be so sure of them self's but yet have no way of defending there opinion in a actual discussion. instead just come out with the same boring statement masked behind a failed sense of humor and wounder how they can be this funny and not be on 8 out of 10 cats yet.

come back with a actual opinion and i'll try to take you seriously, I can't promise but ill try.

My sarcasm and selection of apt cat gifs are more fitting in most conversations than serious details and my footballing knowledge, so I default to these in most cases. I'm sorry for the offense and would like to think we can work this out, so long as you take the time to read and consider the opinions of those here and present valid arguments. Otherwise I shall taunt you a second time.

 

[SerenityNigh]

It's perfectly possible that the youth players aren't ready yet or simply aren't good enough just yet I suppose. I think Martinez has gotten good press with his work with youths because our younger players just so happen to be our best players and he does support them irrespective of whether they make mistakes, which is contrary to our former manager.

Also, most of the youth players that show great promise are in deep positions.

 

[ijjysmith]

I dont really know what's happening in this thread anymore.

 

[bluemangroup]

Also, most of the youth players that show great promise are in deep positions.

And the risk is greater and the responsibility possibly too much?

 

[neil999]

I dont really know what's happening in this thread anymore.

looks like you have to do lots of quoting

im out..

 

[sageyefc]

Let's revisit this conversation briefly, in a serious manner. The recent instigatory comment:





I generally agree with toffeejack; Martinez has done much to show that he likes to include youth players in his side and doesn't strike me as one to play them "only when forced to"







I agree with all prior responses. Moyes seemed to dislike Barkley's mistakes, desiring perfection and maturity. Martinez alternately seems to want to give room for development and creativity, mistakes and all. Maybe many other managers would have done the same as Martinez, but many others probably would not have done any different than Moyes. I find nothing supportable in your initial statement, and it gets wide disapproval.





Lukaku was a starter for WBA, and would have been for most sides in the league last year. Mourinho seems to disapprove of his style/maturity/discipline, or simply doesn't think he fits the system currently employed at Chelsea, but Martinez welcomed the opportunity to bring him to Goodison, even if for a season, and give him the lead role. Again, little evidence to find your statement supportable.






Martinez praised Stones from early days and gave him ample opportunity early (remember Juve?); no doubt it took Martinez some time to feel comfortable breaking up his long-serving backfield to insert the 19 year old, but he was a frequent contributor as a sub early in league play and Martinez did not seem to hesitate handing over the reigns/keys/<insert metaphor for complete liberty and authority> when injury prompted the action.










Most kinda disagree with you, dude



My sarcasm and selection of apt cat gifs are more fitting in most conversations than serious details and my footballing knowledge, so I default to these in most cases. I'm sorry for the offense and would like to think we can work this out, so long as you take the time to read and consider the opinions of those here and present valid arguments. Otherwise I shall taunt you a second time.

 

[davek]

Fransisco Junior off to Celtic apparently.

 

[bizzaro]

Fransisco Junior off to Celtic apparently.

Is he taking @chicoazul with him?

 

[neil999]

Is he taking @chicoazul with him?

good grief...

 

[bizzaro]

VOM

Nastasic is leaving City in the window

Martinez says no major transfer


F
F
S

“We will always work hard to try to see what we can do but it is not a priority in this window,” he said.

“The priority was to make sure the summer window was exactly what we wanted and we achieved that."


He doesn't say its not going to happen at all. But if someone becomes available for the right price. Wait and see.

He just said its "NOT A PRIORITY".

Doesn't mean "NO".