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January Transfer Thread 2017

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Eggs said:
...risk is factored into the price, he was potential but now he's proven in the Premier. As you say, there will always be ones we miss out on.
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I also think you have to look at management and development in all of this when we talk of "risk". It's easy to look at Mori and VVD now and view it through that lens as opposed to how we viewed it 18 months ago.

18 Months ago both were powerful, left sided aggressive central defenders who liked to play out from the back. Both had performed admirably in weaker/unorthodox leagues and if we are honest leagues that rarely produce players of the standard for England. VVD was a little more expensive which might have swung it in favour of Mori for us. Both looked promising when they first arrived, but there is little doubt while VVD improved noticeably last season (and this season in fairness under Puel) Mori has remained a talented but somewhat erratic centre half. I don't think we can underestimate Koemans influenc eon improving VVD and the inability for Martinez to do the same with Mori. Watch Koeman on MNF, and how he talks about VVD and the clips, he worked wonders with him, and fortunately we now have that manager at Everton.

On reflection we should have signed both players. We knew Stones would be leaving (by all accounts the manager had even promised him this) and that Jagielka was in decline. The smart move would have been to sign both and probably lose Stones for the 37/38 million we ended up being offered. We'd have lost 10-15 million on Stones but VVD the increase in cost for VVD will be close to double that. We'd also have avoided Stones's erratic performances.

It's another one of those things with Everton that lacked forward planning.
 
blueblue said:
Wages will be a factor with the players we are trying to move on and this will be reflected in the transfer fees that we would get.
However, there are always clubs looking for players in January and usually clubs are slow to release players. We probably have a better chance of selling some of these next month than we do in the summer.

A couple of players are out of contract in the summer and are probably not on huge wages anyway e.g Kone and Gibson.
A couple seem to have fallen away as the season has moved on and will know they have no future under Koeman e.g Oviedo
A few are getting games intermittently at present, but are not impressing and are likely to move on or be moved on and in this category I see Cleverley and maybe Mirallas, Deulofeu or Lennon. However they are not likely to leave in January apart from possibly Cleverley if we get a good offer.

If you discount the players named above we are left with a very small squad plus some talented but untried academy players.
It is unlikely that we will be able to buy all our primary targets in January as clubs will not want to sell their best players.
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This is an astute post mate. I was thinking it the other day. In the summer, especially with added money and the heightened sense of ambition that brings very few clubs want to be settling for lads who couldn't get into Everton's team. It's amazing what the threat of relegation can do though.

A lad like McCarthy will be very marketable in January. He's a good age and has shown he's a fighter. I can easily see Sunderland wanting to come in for him at something cut price (say 8 million pounds). He feels a very Moyes player. The same could be said for Lennon and Cleverley. Hull, Sunderland, Swansea are going to be in that market, and even sides like West Ham may be tempted.
 
blueblue said:
Wages will be a factor with the players we are trying to move on and this will be reflected in the transfer fees that we would get.
However, there are always clubs looking for players in January and usually clubs are slow to release players. We probably have a better chance of selling some of these next month than we do in the summer.

A couple of players are out of contract in the summer and are probably not on huge wages anyway e.g Kone and Gibson.
A couple seem to have fallen away as the season has moved on and will know they have no future under Koeman e.g Oviedo
A few are getting games intermittently at present, but are not impressing and are likely to move on or be moved on and in this category I see Cleverley and maybe Mirallas, Deulofeu or Lennon. However they are not likely to leave in January apart from possibly Cleverley if we get a good offer.

If you discount the players named above we are left with a very small squad plus some talented but untried academy players.
It is unlikely that we will be able to buy all our primary targets in January as clubs will not want to sell their best players.
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But we are not left with a very small squad really, you named 7 players there, we have 31 profesionals over 21 years age. That still leaves us with 25 players (all be it some not very good enough ones), LFC have 23 professionals and one of them is Alex manninger and the rest under 21s, Chelsea despite having 80 million players out on loan, have 21 professionals and the rest under 21s. Tottenham 22 profesionals and the rest under 21s.
This is not just about squad depth but about quality of coaching you can give these players and how much time you can allocate to them.

If you think we are looking to get 6/7 new players in over the next couple of windows we will have to look at shifting 15 odd players over the next couple of windows
 
I think that if Moshiri and Koeman are serious about improving the squad in January, Moshiri needs to hand the team a blank check and let us try to spend and bring in whoever the team needs. The "Watch this space" debacle in the summer was just that, empty space full of rumors and bringing in Valencia on loan and making attempt at that trash Sissoko (glad Tottenham hopped on that grenade).

I would love to make a splash and sign Gabbiadini, Depay, Schneiderlin, VVD, and a new Goalkeeper.

In reality nothing is going to happen in this window for us, but if Moshiri and company are serious, now is the time.
 
catcherintherye said:
This is an astute post mate. I was thinking it the other day. In the summer, especially with added money and the heightened sense of ambition that brings very few clubs want to be settling for lads who couldn't get into Everton's team. It's amazing what the threat of relegation can do though.

A lad like McCarthy will be very marketable in January. He's a good age and has shown he's a fighter. I can easily see Sunderland wanting to come in for him at something cut price (say 8 million pounds). He feels a very Moyes player. The same could be said for Lennon and Cleverley. Hull, Sunderland, Swansea are going to be in that market, and even sides like West Ham may be tempted.
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I'd want £15 million for McCarthy look at dross like Ryan mason, Jake Livermore.

Livermore £8 million before inflationary tv money & mason £13 million latterly but hasn't played consistently for more than half a season in the prem.

McCarthy may be limited but has bags of experience & is young and not too long ago was getting linked with Man City however laughable that may seem.

I've talked myself into £20 million
 

Im looking forward to who we can get rid of this January rather than whos coming in, because we know were going to get some decent players.
Gibson, Mcgeady, Cleverley, Garbutt, Mcaleny, Henen, Niasse, Kone. Should get a fair wedge for them
 
MichiganToffee-NSNO said:
I think that if Moshiri and Koeman are serious about improving the squad in January, Moshiri needs to hand the team a blank check and let us try to spend and bring in whoever the team needs. The "Watch this space" debacle in the summer was just that, empty space full of rumors and bringing in Valencia on loan and making attempt at that trash Sissoko (glad Tottenham hopped on that grenade).

I would love to make a splash and sign Gabbiadini, Depay, Schneiderlin, VVD, and a new Goalkeeper.

In reality nothing is going to happen in this window for us, but if Moshiri and company are serious, now is the time.
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Sign those four and it is a brilliant window, keeper or no.
 

Hogwild said:
Sign those four and it is a brilliant window, keeper or no.
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I would sleep so much easier if that were the case... not sure if it will be... I was super hyped over the summer that we would be getting Mata, oh how I wish we could get him too but he is just going to be a dream or a fifa signing
 
Wally smith said:
If UTD can't afford him, and you say them not being in the Champs League will affect their budget to back that up, what makes you think we could? Utd are gonna be throwing loads of money around in the next 12 months, they're also gonna be selling a load of players for decent money. They need a CD, as Smalling and Blind are rumoured to be off and Jones is a permacrock. One of the richest clubs in the world may not be able to afford him, but we can?
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We definitely can but they are losing money and the price of the shares is going down, just cant see them throwing money at it in January. We can afford him no problem, having the draw to attract him is another issue.
 

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