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He doesn't know how to do better. He's a decent guy but he's a poor manager.
I just cannot belive that, as a blind person could see why its currently problematic. His backroom staff is good too and i cannot belive Paul Clement for example wouldnt point this out to him if he is daft enough to not see it himself.
Like I said, I’d like to see a shift to 2 up top but the reality is that Simms will fill in for Dom as required and Maupay will be rotated with the other wide forwards as Lampard panics his way through a few more crap results before he’s given the heave ho.
I worry youre right about that. I really dont want another manager go-around, but im even less interested in us going down. At some point his job and reputation as a manager should be more important to him than whatever system or philosophy he wants to follow, but only time will tell.
 
I just cannot belive that, as a blind person could see why its currently problematic. His backroom staff is good too and i cannot belive Paul Clement for example wouldnt point this out to him if he is daft enough to not see it himself.

I worry youre right about that. I really dont want another manager go-around, but im even less interested in us going down. At some point his job and reputation as a manager should be more important to him than whatever system or philosophy he wants to follow, but only time will tell.
Well it isn't happening and it hasn't happened for a long while. I don't just mean on Maupay. He's just not good at this in general. He can't fix problems without making new ones.

Maybe we can sign someone who will conjure enough goals to overcome it though. Seems doubtful.
 
Well it isn't happening and it hasn't happened for a long while. I don't just mean on Maupay. He's just not good at this in general. He can't fix problems without making new ones.

Maybe we can sign someone who will conjure enough goals to overcome it though. Seems doubtful.
If we had money to burn Im sure he could, as hes already corrected some of the biggest issues he inherited by the lard drinker. Thats why i dont get it. He and his team is clearly capable of identifying issues and trying to correct them, so why is nothing being changed about our attacking formations. Frank himself was an attacking minded player, so logically there is no chance he doesnt have some idea of how this should work. Thats why its so flabbergasting to me, specially with the backroom staff hes got. Hoping we see a change going forward, but not sure i belive its going to happen unless we bring in other attackers like you said.
 

If we had money to burn Im sure he could, as hes already corrected some of the biggest issues he inherited by the lard drinker. Thats why i dont get it. He and his team is clearly capable of identifying issues and trying to correct them, so why is nothing being changed about our attacking formations. Frank himself was an attacking minded player, so logically there is no chance he doesnt have some idea of how this should work. Thats why its so flabbergasting to me, specially with the backroom staff hes got. Hoping we see a change going forward, but not sure i belive its going to happen unless we bring in other attackers.
I'm not talking about money and players. I'm talking about tactics. You don't have to have world class players to put together a team that can both play up the pitch a little and not concede loads of goals. You don't have to have world class players to set up a team that can create chances without causing itself to be wide open. Not all of his issues can be solved with throwing money around.

I'm well aware that our attack stinks and that we're probably capped out at something like 45 goals with that attack. We're on pace for 29. And he can't fix that without exposing our defense to an untenable degree because he can't put together a complete system. So we get this crap where we sit deep and hold a basic shape while hoping to get lucky and score a goal to nick it.

I don't think he should be allowed to sign players. If Thelwell has players he can get at a decent price with a longer term view he should go for that. No short term fixes for Frank. He's not earned it.
 

Gibbs White and Cornet are decent players. Cornet has been injured but he’ll come back.
And MGW has been at the heart of anything Forest have done well.

It was just too much for us in the end but he'd have been a good signing for us.

Both of them would have offered more of what we needed than what we ultimately got.
 
If we go into the Southampton game with Gray McNeil and Gordon as our wingers then that fat kopite needs to be launched in the Mersey

Utter disgrace

The one saving grace we have this month is that after West Ham on the 21st we don't have any more league games.

It's three games to get through, but only one of them - tomorrow - should come without any additions (and IMO we should have done more, even though yes, they are very much trying and wanted to have something lined up, it ain't good enough).

Lampard for now has to find a way to get 4 points at least from the next two, ideally 6 of course.

It feels like this time last year, when we had games v Norwich, Villa, Newcastle and Leeds - all teams around us. Had we taken about 7 points from them I think we'd have been well clear of any danger. We ended up with 3.

If we take 6-7 points from the next 3 games, 2 of which come against our relegation rivals, we can lift ourselves into a decent position. But they have to, have to help with signings.
 
I'm not talking about money and players. I'm talking about tactics. You don't have to have world class players to put together a team that can both play up the pitch a little and not concede loads of goals. You don't have to have world class players to set up a team that can create chances without causing itself to be wide open. Not all of his issues can be solved with throwing money around.

I'm well aware that our attack stinks and that we're probably capped out at something like 45 goals with that attack. We're on pace for 29. And he can't fix that without exposing our defense to an untenable degree because he can't put together a complete system. So we get this crap where we sit deep and hold a basic shape while hoping to get lucky and score a goal to nick it.

I don't think he should be allowed to sign players. If Thelwell has players he can get at a decent price with a longer term view he should go for that. No short term fixes for Frank. He's not earned it.
What gave me hope re Frank is that he seemed determined to dispel the notion he couldn’t organise a defence.

What I respected was the quite canny move of bringing in centre halves that could organise themselves and those around them, leaving Frank to focus on what happened in front of them. We supplemented that with the return of Gueye - I wasn’t a fan of the move, but again the logic didn’t escape me.

Of course, the trade-off here is that you have a defensive unit that will sit very deep.

No problem, says I, for the learned attacking midfielder at our helm will no doubt work hard on moving the ball long/directly up top, surrounding the target man with pacy, direct players who can pick up on those second balls and drive us on.

Not a bit of it. Instead, he tries to play out from the back, using players that can neither pass very well or run very fast. On the occasions we DO go longer, it is to a very small front man, completely unaccustomed to playing that way, and Gordon and Gray - the only two of our attack blessed with any pace - just seem to have been given the ol’ “go out and play” message, which is not a lot of use given the dumpster fire happening around them.

I don’t envy any manager who has to deal with the flaming sack of dump that is our team, but I point blank refuse to believe that Frank couldn’t have done any better than he has. Indeed, there were signs of recovery as our summer signings started to bed in, but in hindsight that was more to do with their natural ability, which seems to have been gradually coached out of them since.

I defy anyone to look at Brentford’s squad list and ours, post summer window, and say that they should be THIS much better a team than us, if at all. I know they have a preexistent togetherness and spirit that will account for some of that, but a very large amount of the discrepancy is just coaching, man. Their coach is great and ours is a bit poo.
 
Am I remembering correctly that we could have binned Gordon and bought him? What a miss.
Not really...

We had MGW all but done, he was ready to board a plane to the US. Deal fell through due to payment structure. You might remember Gordon put something on his Instagram story of the two with a blue heart around that time? Well yeah, that was why. But we just never could then match what Wolves wanted as the new structure.

Chelsea's move for Gordon was much later in the window and they never offered what we wanted (which I agree with you btw was too much but it was our valuation).

Everton went for MGW again on the same terms Forest agreed with Wolves - I think that was just a punt though in all honesty and was probably based on Chelsea meeting the valuation of Gordon, which they ultimately never did. There really was a point mid-August where it looked like Chelsea were going to do it, apparently, and that would have been around the time MGW went to Forest.
 

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