January Transfer Window 2023

[TheBigIguana]

So you're saying strategy should be sod the immediate, plan for 3-5 years?

You think relegation stabilizes the club?

There's idealism and then there's just being wrong.

The immediate is the massive and only priority because relegation kills any 3-5 year plan.

I don't think you've got a grasp on how bad our team is, and how stark the position the club is. With regards to the transfer market - this was your assessment of the window on 1st September;



This was mine on the same day;







I was right then, and I'm afraid I'm right now.

The difference here is I believe the players are better than they're showing and the manager is an absolute mess who kills all chance they might have to succeed. I still think it's fine, meaning we should finish like 15th, and I don't think we can definitively say different until we all get to see these players in the hands of someone who actually should be in charge of a PL football club. It's possible that never happens but still.

It's not idealism by the way. It's actually quite practical. What's not practical is doing what we've already see Sunderland, Villa and others do that eventually ends in relegation. The only way to get the club on steady ground again is to acknowledge relegation might happen and simply start fixing it piece by piece in the mean time. You can still refresh and reload while you're down. I'd submit Wolves (I know the shady Mendes stuff helped) as evidence. If we don't go down awesome. If we do it will be way easier if we're already on the road to recovery instead of starting from scratch.

Nothing we do in January can guarantee safety. But we can guarantee that we are doing the right things to get better. Control what you can control.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Danjuma loan with option?

Decent player

 

[allen]

Could do with PL players at top clubs who are on fringes of first team but rarely get a game. No idea of cost but there must be half a dozen such players. Saying this as a preference to signing someone from Timbuktoo.

Would this not be the Schneiderlin, Walcott, Dele, van de Beek route?

It’s hardly been fruitful… maybe Iwobi the only successful one, and that took years to pay off.

 

[BainesontoastNEW]

Danjuma wouldn't need us if he wasn't a sick note. Kinda like Gray would be elsewhere if he had some consistent end product.

It's where we are as a club, unfortunately.

 

[ZissouBlue]

Have you seen him kick a ball the past 3 years?

Really?

Outside of a couple Champions League games with Villareal, no. But to be fair all I really did was highlight the number of goals he's scored. I mean he's widely seen as being a good player, which is all I said.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

The difference here is I believe the players are better than they're showing

They're not mate, that's the fundamental in which I think you're wrong.

Look at it objectively. It's not a blip, we're just a poor football team;

I think we all can overcomplicate football but sometimes it can be simple and the players we have don't have the goals or assists in their game. They're just not there - that dictates any manager we have will be up against it fighting relegation.

and the manager is an absolute mess who kills all chance they might have to succeed. I still think it's fine, meaning we should finish like 15th,

If I felt this way, I'd agree with you, why sign players not part of a long term plan if we're sound anyway.

We're not though, this Everton team as it is go down. It would have went down last season if it wasn't for Richarlison, and Pickford. Richarlison is off, and if Pickford wants to leave he probably wont be at the very top of his game in any relegation scrap.

Nothing we do in January can guarantee safety. But we can guarantee that we are doing the right things to get better. Control what you can control.

Short term measures are needed to a crisis, sometimes you have to plug holes. That time is most certainly now. The basis to build from is as a Premier League team.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

Danjuma left / centre and Elanga right would give us the options along the front three we need. Get those two on loan and invest what we have in a creative midfielder / playmaker type and we’d be much better off.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Outside of a couple Champions League games with Villareal, no. But to be fair all I really did was highlight the number of goals he's scored. I mean he's widely seen as being a good player, which is all I said.

Well, you said he's a good player. You never said he's widely seen as a good player. That's why I asked if you'd watched him play football within the last 3 years.

I've never seen him kick a ball, I can't recall him from his time in the Prem at Bournemouth but then, according to Wikipedia he didn't score a single goal so that's perhaps not surprising.

 

[nsno-chris]

Could do with PL players at top clubs who are on fringes of first team but rarely get a game. No idea of cost but there must be half a dozen such players. Saying this as a preference to signing someone from Timbuktoo.

So you’d rather we keep the trend of signing players not good enough for our rivals, but good enough for us.

That’s a brilliant idea

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Ings
Elanga on loan/Ouattara
Diaz or Gyokeres

If we could do that then it should be enough would like a playmaker on top but if we play 2 strikers up front and keep to 5 at the back with those additions we should be fine.

He has become my player that "I know nothing about but will cry if we do not sign him" obsession for this window.

 

[maccavennie]

Danjuma loan with option?

Scouted him since he was 8, top quality and just lost his way a little when he leg fell off a couple of seasons back.

They've glued it back on (albeit the wrong way round) hence why they're offering him on loan. Good thing about his leg being the wrong way round means he can run forwards and backwards very quickly.

Looks like Thelwells only gone and done it again and paired this baller with Maupsy and Mcneilsy

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Danjuma left / centre and Elanga right would give us the options along the front three we need. Get those two on loan and invest what we have in a creative midfielder / playmaker type and we’d be much better off.

If we are pushing now for the end of the month imagine what we do on deadline day!

 

[Trublue12]

Would this not be the Schneiderlin, Walcott, Dele, van de Beek route?

It’s hardly been fruitful… maybe Iwobi the only successful one, and that took years to pay off.

We've always signed players like that. Doesn't often work. Especially, when the player is in a really good squad. I always think they look better with better players then the move shows they aren't up to being the main man.

Obviously there are exemptions, Phil Neville brought a real professional attitude with him, lead from the front. Not the most skilled player, I know but a good player for us.

Iwobi has taken 3 years to come good. As for this window have to be players who can hit the ground running. Get the ones to develop in the summer.

 

[Gilbert..]

Who'd have thought 20 years on we're back scratching around looking for a Kevin Campbell influence type forward to come in and give the place a lift in a relegation fight. Are there even any of those about now.
This club ?

 

[TheBigIguana]

They're not mate, that's the fundamental in which I think you're wrong.

Look at it objectively. It's not a blip, we're just a poor football team;

I think we all can overcomplicate football but sometimes it can be simple and the players we have don't have the goals or assists in their game. They're just not there - that dictates any manager we have will be up against it fighting relegation.



If I felt this way, I'd agree with you, why sign players not part of a long term plan if we're sound anyway.

We're not though, this Everton team as it is go down. It would have went down last season if it wasn't for Richarlison, and Pickford. Richarlison is off, and if Pickford wants to leave he probably wont be at the very top of his game in any relegation scrap.



Short term measures are needed to a crisis, sometimes you have to plug holes. That time is most certainly now. The basis to build from is as a Premier League team.

The crisis will never end. You just move from crisis to crisis. I'm not saying do nothing but signing Danny Ings permanently because you need goals is not going to do anything but leave us needing another decent player shortly after. We have to break this cycle. Whatever happens after happens, we'll be better for it in a couple of years.