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Japan Earthquake/Tsunami

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The fear is that the Japanese authorities have been sitting on an information time bomb in order to calm an already disastrous situation and avoid mass panic. When that US battleship withdrew yesterday I think the cat was out of the bag. What's happened overnight has forced the Japanese Government's hand and they'll have no choice but to advise more and more people in regions all over the country to take as best evasive action as they can. Hopefull prevailing winds will be blowing away from the coast and out into the Pacific.
 
At approximately 0700 local (Japan) time, sensitive instrumentation on USS GEORGE WASHINGTON (CVN 73) pier-side in Yokosuka, detected low levels of radioactivity from the Fukushima Dai-Ichi Nuclear Power Plant. While there is no danger to the public, Commander, Naval Forces Japan is recommending limited precautionary measures for personnel on Fleet Activities Yokosuka and Naval Air Facility Atsugi, including: A. Limiting outdoor activities. B. Securing external ventilation systems as much as practical. These measures are strictly precautionary in nature. We do not expect that any United States Federal radiation exposure limits will be exceeded even if no precautionary measures are taken. We are continuing to analyze the situation and will update you as we learn more.


The US carriers have instrumentation to measure both radiation and identify the components of the radiation.

This is another legit source of information about what is occurring.

This advice is also transparent and clear, it has to be due to the number of service members families living in Yokosuka.
 
davek said:
The fear is that the Japanese authorities have been sitting on an information time bomb in order to calm an already disastrous situation and avoid mass panic. When that US battleship withdrew yesterday I think the cat was out of the bag. What's happened overnight has forced the Japanese Government's hand and they'll have no choice but to advise more and more people in regions all over the country to take as best evasive action as they can. Hopefull prevailing winds will be blowing away from the coast and out into the Pacific.
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This is of huge concern to Korea and China. And being selfish, me too.

The winds are blowing out to the Pacific at the time being, but as we have no idea how much radiation is out there it is hard to guess how far the fallout would be.

I daren't refresh my browser as the news just keeps getting worse and worse.
 

teppic said:
This is of huge concern to Korea and China. And being selfish, me too.

The winds are blowing out to the Pacific at the time being, but as we have no idea how much radiation is out there it is hard to guess how far the fallout would be.

I daren't refresh my browser as the news just keeps getting worse and worse.
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The US navy have said they don't expect it to exceed US Federal exposure limits. However it is best to monitor their publications. Incase things change.


They routinely monitor this type of reading, and they have meteorological information also.


The thing with this, is that you can't hide what is happening. The IAEA can test down to femtograms of substances in the environment (they do this for checking for illicit nuclear programs!).


So just watch what the US navy are saying they've got 9 ships in the area.
 
teppic said:
This is of huge concern to Korea and China. And being selfish, me too.

The winds are blowing out to the Pacific at the time being, but as we have no idea how much radiation is out there it is hard to guess how far the fallout would be.

I daren't refresh my browser as the news just keeps getting worse and worse.
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This all takes me back to '86 when we had our eye on wind patterns after Chernobyl blew apart, hoping the cloud of radiation wouldn't blow our way across western Europe. It did, and we probably dont fully know the consequences of that. Obviously you're a lot closer to Fukushima than we were from the Ukraine, so the concern must be even worse for you. Information is the only weapon you have. The Governments in the region must not panic people but at the same time they have to treat their populations as adults as well as preparing a plan of action.
 
davek said:
This all takes me back to '86 when we had our eye on wind patterns after Chernobyl blew apart, hoping the cloud of radiation wouldn't blow our way across western Europe. It did, and we probably dont fully know the consequences of that. Obviously you're a lot closer to Fukushima than we were from the Ukraine, so the concern must be even worse for you. Information is the only weapon you have. The Governments in the region must not panic people but at the same time they have to treat their populations as adults as well as preparing a plan of action.
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It's early days but this has the potential to be bad. For Japan and the whole region.
 
davek said:
This all takes me back to '86 when we had our eye on wind patterns after Chernobyl blew apart, hoping the cloud of radiation wouldn't blow our way across western Europe. It did, and we probably dont fully know the consequences of that. Obviously you're a lot closer to Fukushima than we were from the Ukraine, so the concern must be even worse for you. Information is the only weapon you have. The Governments in the region must not panic people but at the same time they have to treat their populations as adults as well as preparing a plan of action.
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Thats actually completely wrong. All the EU countries know fully what the consequences were.

No one in the UK has died in relation to Chernobyl.

The main consequence was economic. Particularly for agriculture Davek, since certain products were excluded from the food chain.

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from the WHO/IAEA/UNDP Press Release that accompanied the 600-page September 2005 report, written jointly by 8 UN specialized agencies, including the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), World Health Organization (WHO), United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (UN-OCHA), United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR), and the World Bank, as well as the governments of Belarus, the Russian Federation and Ukraine.

‘As of mid-2005, however, fewer than 50 deaths had been directly attributed to radiation from the disaster, almost all being highly exposed rescue workers…..’
Possible deaths in total? ‘A total of up to 4000 people could eventually die of radiation exposure from the Chernobyl nuclear power plant …. an international team of more than 100 scientists has concluded.’

Even looking at long term chronic affects and Environmental impact assessments aside from the 30km Ukranian exposure, the net impact was low.


The likes of Greenpeace and other NGO's would always disagree with anything published. Thats because they will try and change laws where politicians won't through LITIGATION (the courts).


This was why I was talking about litigation last week. Despite being criticised for it

Litigation will get further safety standards and methods implemented after this.
 
davek said:
This all takes me back to '86 when we had our eye on wind patterns after Chernobyl blew apart, hoping the cloud of radiation wouldn't blow our way across western Europe. It did, and we probably dont fully know the consequences of that. Obviously you're a lot closer to Fukushima than we were from the Ukraine, so the concern must be even worse for you. Information is the only weapon you have. The Governments in the region must not panic people but at the same time they have to treat their populations as adults as well as preparing a plan of action.
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We are still under the effects of Chernobyl -as this report from 2009 undicates some 396 farms in Wales and Cumbria had restriction orders in place on the sale and movement of sheep

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/may/12/farmers-restricted-chernobyl-disaster
 

Matt Damon said:
Thats actually completely wrong. All the EU countries know fully what the consequences were.

No one in the UK has died in relation to Chernobyl.

The main consequence was economic. Particularly for agriculture Davek, since certain products were excluded from the food chain.

Source:
from the WHO/IAEA/UNDP Press Release that accompanied the 600-page September 2005 report, written jointly by 8 UN specialized agencies, including the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), World Health Organization (WHO), United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (UN-OCHA), United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR), and the World Bank, as well as the governments of Belarus, the Russian Federation and Ukraine.

‘As of mid-2005, however, fewer than 50 deaths had been directly attributed to radiation from the disaster, almost all being highly exposed rescue workers…..’
Possible deaths in total? ‘A total of up to 4000 people could eventually die of radiation exposure from the Chernobyl nuclear power plant …. an international team of more than 100 scientists has concluded.’

Even looking at long term chronic affects and Environmental impact assessments aside from the 30km Ukranian exposure, the net impact was low.


The likes of Greenpeace and other NGO's would always disagree with anything published. Thats because they will try and change laws where politicians won't through LITIGATION (the courts).


This was why I was talking about litigation last week. Despite being criticised for it

Litigation will get further safety standards and methods implemented after this.
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You cant say with any degree of certainty that no one from this country died from the effect of Chernobyl's radiocative cloud. The effects on other western European nations are well documented. Large parts of our land our still hazardous because of Chernobyl: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/may/12/farmers-restricted-chernobyl-disaster

It's ridiculous to suggest that this could have happened with no loss of life.
 

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