2024/25 Jarrad Branthwaite

[toffeeblue9]

On a related note, there seems to be some acceptance that Guehi will be on his way this summer and I think that's one to keep an eye on. He's ahead of Branthwaite in the England pecking order currently and is two years older than JB.

The transfer fee that Guehi moves for will have a knock on effect to what clubs perceive Branthwaite's value to be

 

[preposterousvelios]

Wtf is going on in here haha. Jarrad has it all - fast, unbeatable in the air, good feet and a cool head. Don't know what some people are watching sometimes, he is a top player already and has potential to be one of the best in the world imo.

 

[davek]

I understand the point you're making. FWIW I think he's had a few dodgy moments this season and, despite some really good form of late, I think he was perhaps better overall last season.

It's a difficult one because his size, speed, nationality and being left footed are all things that make him a rare commodity and we are right to place a hefty valuation on him because of it. However, you can understand why your top clubs would baulk at £70m or whatever it is we've priced him at. It's a huge fee for a player who's not really been in the England thinking much and is playing for a lower Premier League side.

In the normal course of events, he'd be looking at a £40m-ish transfer to a top 7 side before a bigger move, but obviously we see his value now.

With PSR in place for another year, there's still a strong possibility he leaves I would guess given our need to generate balance sheet profits, but I'm not sure a centre back pairing of Tarkowski and O'Brien (and I agree O'Brien looks very promising) has the same balance about it as one which has Branthwaite and that natural left-sided balance.

If he had a coach/manager that could encourage him to play out from the back and guide him through that transition then he'd fetch that £70M price tag this summer. We dont though and I cant see Moyes being the one who gets it out of him.

That's a dilemma and I hope Branthwaite and his agent dont see Moyes as an obstacle to his development and agitate for a move this summer.

Similarly, when I look at O'Brien I also see a player who can make the grade: he looks like he has the composure on the ball that a ball playing centre back has...in fact he looks like a better bet than Branthwaite in that respect. Obviously O'Brien is a season or so behind Branthwaite in terms of his profile so we should be able to retain him for the next season or maybe two.

 

[mightymoyes]

If he had a coach/manager that could encourage him to play out from the back and guide him through that transition then he'd fetch that £70M price tag this summer. We dont though and I cant see Moyes being the one who gets it out of him.

That's a dilemma and I hope Branthwaite and his agent dont see Moyes as an obstacle to his development and agitate for a move this summer.

Similarly, when I look at O'Brien I also see a player who can make the grade: he looks like he has the composure on the ball that a ball playing centre back has...in fact he looks like a better bet than Branthwaite in that respect. Obviously O'Brien is a season or so behind Branthwaite in terms of his profile so we should be able to retain him for the next season or maybe two.

why on earth would be only be able to retain O'Brien for a season or 2?
he hasn't even played his proper position for us yet.

 

[davek]

why on earth would be only be able to retain O'Brien for a season or 2?
he hasn't even played his proper position for us yet.

Stevie Wonder can see he's going places.

Just like I knew John Stones would be taken from us after a couple of seasons I feel the same way about O'Brien.

The vultures will be circling soon.

 

[ToffeeScot]

I think he's looked a bit off and laid back this year. I know that's his style generally, a bit more relaxed that makes people falsely believe he is slow, but he's been a bit too much for my liking. I think that's partially due to injury and that we have largely been off it this season as a team overall but he hasn't been as good as last season or as consistent. He's still shown in many games though that he's a very talented and good CB that has the potential to be at a top club but he really needs a big season to put him in that position if that's his ambition. I don't think anyone will be in for him this summer for the price we would want due to the above.

 

[mightymoyes]

Stevie Wonder can see he's going places.

Just like I knew John Stones would be taken from us after a couple of seasons I feel the same way about O'Brien.

The vultures will be circling soon.

hes a good player but Stones was a different level and was with us for 3 and half seasons

 

[toffeeblue9]

If he had a coach/manager that could encourage him to play out from the back and guide him through that transition then he'd fetch that £70M price tag this summer. We dont though and I cant see Moyes being the one who gets it out of him.

That's a dilemma and I hope Branthwaite and his agent dont see Moyes as an obstacle to his development and agitate for a move this summer.

Similarly, when I look at O'Brien I also see a player who can make the grade: he looks like he has the composure on the ball that a ball playing centre back has...in fact he looks like a better bet than Branthwaite in that respect. Obviously O'Brien is a season or so behind Branthwaite in terms of his profile so we should be able to retain him for the next season or maybe two.

I think you're maybe being a little unfair re Branthwaite bringing the ball out and the coaching element, but I'd admit that O'Brien and even Tarkowski seem to be better in that regard.

 

[Goat]

If he had a coach/manager that could encourage him to play out from the back and guide him through that transition then he'd fetch that £70M price tag this summer. We dont though and I cant see Moyes being the one who gets it out of him.

That's a dilemma and I hope Branthwaite and his agent dont see Moyes as an obstacle to his development and agitate for a move this summer.

Similarly, when I look at O'Brien I also see a player who can make the grade: he looks like he has the composure on the ball that a ball playing centre back has...in fact he looks like a better bet than Branthwaite in that respect. Obviously O'Brien is a season or so behind Branthwaite in terms of his profile so we should be able to retain him for the next season or maybe two.

There it is, there is your whole angle.

If he moves it's cos Moyes drove him out. If he stays it's cos Moyes didn't coach him.

It's boring Dave, do better.

 

[zebedee]

If he had a coach/manager that could encourage him to play out from the back and guide him through that transition then he'd fetch that £70M price tag this summer. We dont though and I cant see Moyes being the one who gets it out of him.

That's a dilemma and I hope Branthwaite and his agent dont see Moyes as an obstacle to his development and agitate for a move this summer.

Similarly, when I look at O'Brien I also see a player who can make the grade: he looks like he has the composure on the ball that a ball playing centre back has...in fact he looks like a better bet than Branthwaite in that respect. Obviously O'Brien is a season or so behind Branthwaite in terms of his profile so we should be able to retain him for the next season or maybe two.

Branthwaite does remind me of John Stones to a degree. If he adds that final play as you say he'd be worth a pretty penny for sure.

 

[davek]

hes a good player but Stones was a different level and was with us for 3 and half seasons

He also had a coach capable of bringing his talent out.

 

[davek]

There it is, there is your whole angle.

If he moves it's cos Moyes drove him out. If he stays it's cos Moyes didn't coach him.

It's boring Dave, do better.

Moyes is a meat and potatoes manager.

There's no controversy in saying that. He'll organise and motivate but he wont coach. That's not what he does.

 

[COYBL25]

There it is, there is your whole angle.

If he moves it's cos Moyes drove him out. If he stays it's cos Moyes didn't coach him.

It's boring Dave, do better.

I’m fascinated to see how far his new line of attack on Moyes goes.

Promising young player sold - Moyes to blame.

Promising young player not sold - Moyes to blame.

Funny how he never thought of this line of attack when his hero Dyche had him webbing balls up to an isolated DCL all game for couple of seasons

We also have to bear in mind, that this is a man who’s footballiing knowledge is so limited, thar he alone wanted to build a team around the footballing power house that is Keiran Dowell- currently plying his trade in league one.

 

[Goat]

Moyes is a meat and potatoes manager.

There's no controversy in saying that. He'll organise and motivate but he wont coach. That's not what he does.

Declan Rice says LOL.

Lescott, Coleman, Baines all laugh in your general direction.

 

[carolinablue232]

There it is, there is your whole angle.

If he moves it's cos Moyes drove him out. If he stays it's cos Moyes didn't coach him.

It's boring Dave, do better.

Dyche was definitely the manager to encourage his play out of the back though and get the best from him too.