Still don't agree with the 'take 17th' part. Weaker squad got 48 points last year. Defeatist mentality that is.
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2024/25 Jesper Lindstrom
- Thread starter chrissyjack
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Still don't agree with the 'take 17th' part. Weaker squad got 48 points last year. Defeatist mentality that is.
Realistic.
A team that has averaged 41 points for 3 seasons, scoring only more than the relegated team was going to remain relegation fodder until adequate recruitment.
We disagreed in the summer when I said recruitment wasn't enough and we'd be in another scrap. And look.
Its not rocket science, it's painful....
Rita_Poon
Player Valuation: £90m
That is a close run race and then some.
We’re in a scrap partly because of the squad but also partly because we’re playing under the most defensive, cowardly manager to grace the PL.
I don’t think we’re a good team but we are better than this.
Spot on and it's a better squad in name only, Dyche has to play some of them now an again and drop the players that are not performing, i.e Mykolenko, Harrison and Doucoure.
…..I think that’s the key point. We know Dyche is the ultimate pragmatist, he’ll look at the dearth of quality at his disposal and think ‘how do I best get enough points from this lot’.
The question for the new owners is whether a different manager could deliver more with these players than Dyche. It’s a huge call.
I think you have to be conscious of confirmation bias with a conclusion like that, though.
Our squad is pretty poor, but so is our manager.
Recruitment wasn’t great, but the squad was - at least marginally - improved.
Accumulating marginally more points than last season should therefore be a reasonable expectation.
That we haven’t improved at all, and have seemingly regressed, is on the manager as far as I’m concerned.
Though as I say, I think confirmation bias plays a part and ultimately what you thought of both Dyche and the squad going into this season colours whether you think this is on the manager or not.
PeregrineT
Player Valuation: £40m
Last season Dyche was more progressive, our football in the first portion of the season was worlds better than this, and yet it had less talent. The only real change was swapping Onana for the likes of Ndiaye, Mangala, and Broja. He didnt even play Onana and benched him for most of our wins. So then with the same/better talent, what changed?
For me, Dyche quit. He got miffed over the criticism and decided to just phone it in and not care anymore. This is the identical squad who were winning last seasons matches 2-0, 3-1, except Mangal playing instead of Garner, and Ndiaye upgrading the wing.
This Season - Last Season
Pickford - Pickford
Young - Young
Myko - Myko
Branners - Branners
Tarks - Tarks
Mangala - Gomes
Gana - Gana
Doucs - Doucs
Ndiaye - McNeil
Harrison - Harrison
Broja - DCL
0-2 Forest - 2-0 Everton
If thats not regression, I dont know what is.
I can see what you're trying to say, but it's not confirmation bias.
Ive felt for years, under 3 managers that we've not got the the players we need with pace, or ability to create or score to keep us away from trouble. I think we have players who have never performed to the level we require. Players like Harrison and Doucoure aren't good enough, its no coincidence they've been at clubs that have been relegated and we have too many who wouldn't start for most teams in the Prem.
Until we address that then, I feel we'll stay in the same boat.
Even if we didn't have the points deducted last season, we took 33+ games to hit 40 points.
So I didn't expect this group of players to be in anything but a scrap this season, just like the 3 seasons before that.
It's not hindsight stuff, either. Before the season;
And more;
Post in thread 'Everton Summer 2024 Transfer Thread' https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/everton-summer-2024-transfer-thread.119335/post-11489509
Post in thread 'Everton Summer 2024 Transfer Thread' https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/everton-summer-2024-transfer-thread.119335/post-11489642
Recruitment has been what has put is in relegation fights for years
And recruitment is what's needed to get us away from it.
….nailed it.
I think it’s a moot point to suggest we’re stronger this season, then compare a win and loss against Forest without highlighting how massively improved they are.
Well, recruitment is part of it - but it’s not the whole. It is, though, the most difficult aspect to fix of the greater picture.
I can only speak for myself, but I find it very difficult to judge how good this squad actually is.
I mean, I see how it performs with current training methods and tactics - and that’s poorly.
My hunch is that it’s underperforming due to the way Dyche has it training and playing.
Decision making and individuality is ground out of the players, to the point where not one single member of this squad has improved under his management.
Not one has improved with his coaching.
That’s a damning indictment of his ability to get the best out of the squad.
Picking the right man to replace him is unquestionably difficult - as choosing a new manager always is - but I still think it’s the easier thing to fix in the time we have than the playing squad.
I figure if we count the average goals/assists of all our players throughout their careers and add them all up, it's not enough. I don't think many start for more than 3 teams in the Prem.
Id be sad to see Pickford, Branthwaite and maybe NDiaye leave. The rest? Meh.
It's why I think no matter the manager we'll be near the bottom. Thats not me saying I'd give Sean Dyche a new contract...
So you think the manager is getting the best out of this group of players?