Joel Robles

[joey_macmo]

Hardly fair to judge him then when he was new and thrown in sporadically. Since he's had back to back games for us he's not put a foot wrong until tonight.

He may not turn out to be good enough but some people have never liked him and are typically having knee jerk digs. It's like fans saying how great Naismith was after his hat trick against Chelsea. Every player can have a great game or a shocker. Their true quality can't be judged based on isolated incidents.

It just stinks. One bad game suddenly is proof of him being awful? I could use the west ham cup game to state the reverse. Everton fans can be so bloody fickle, reactive and numbskulled. It does my nut in.

your post literally makes no sense, regardless of my opinion of Joel you've managed to try say people both have had an agenda against him from the start yet are fickle in relation to him at the same time.

You said last night was a one off, well it wasn't and it won't be.

 

[Sapie88]

your post literally makes no sense, regardless of my opinion of Joel you've managed to try say people both have had an agenda against him from the start yet are fickle in relation to him at the same time.

You said last night was a one off, well it wasn't and it won't be.

To be fair to Joel I'd give up if I had to share a pitch with Cleverley.

 

[TheBigIguana]

He's decent and at the same time we could get better. But there are other areas that really need upgrading much more. Last night was one of his worst games since being given the shirt but it happens and he did still make a few fine saves.

 

[harry]

He made some proper clangers last night. He also made a great save from a corner (I think). He is still young and has the potential to be a very good keeper. I personally would stick with him.

 

[joey_macmo]

Robles is not perfect mate, not by a long shot but when he started, he rarely made mistakes - obviously this has changed.

He's consistently made mistakes since he signed, last night isn't anything new. In fact it's the other way round he's improved slightly since he's been here but still no even close to being good enough for a number 1

 

[joey_macmo]

And they picked them up again against Bournemouth? What about last season when Robles looked so good with Howard out but we still got only six points in six matches?

It's puzzling. I genuinely think that Robles isn't worse than Howard, but I can't figure out why we do so poorly with him in goal. It's not even as if he's conceding more goals than Howard, even after the last few disasters. Maybe he's just been unlucky with his timing, but we're looking at more than twenty matches over the last two seasons and it's weird the way that Bournemouth match just sticks out like a sore thumb, both in terms of the actual result and in terms of how we played. Is his distribution doing something strange to the way we attack or something?

With regards to last season it was because we switched to an ultra defensive style with 3 holding midfielders. One of his clean sheets he literally didn't even have to make a save and palace and liverpool he made big errors anyway and got away with them.

 

[RFUS]

your post literally makes no sense, regardless of my opinion of Joel you've managed to try say people both have had an agenda against him from the start yet are fickle in relation to him at the same time.

You said last night was a one off, well it wasn't and it won't be.

Knee jerk is perhaps the wrong word. Spring heeled I'd say, ready to pounce when he has a bad game that suits their opinion of him.

He's had far far more good games than bad. That is undeniable. Perhaps being spoilt by the likes of Southall has made Everton fans less forgiving with keepers but I think Joel has done enough to get a proper chance.

Every single player looks atrocious at the moment but we're not saying they're all not good enough. Let's see how they do under an actual manager. I'm not saying Joel is definitely our long term number 1, I just hate hanging out to dry the one player who's looked bothered and been playing well after one bad game.

 

[joey_macmo]

Knee jerk is perhaps the wrong word. Spring heeled I'd say, ready to pounce when he has a bad game that suits their opinion of him.

He's had far far more good games than bad. That is undeniable. Perhaps being spoilt by the likes of Southall has made Everton fans less forgiving with keepers but I think Joel has done enough to get a proper chance.

Every single player looks atrocious at the moment but we're not saying they're all not good enough. Let's see how they do under an actual manager. I'm not saying Joel is definitely our long term number 1, I just hate hanging out to dry the one player who's looked bothered and been playing well after one bad game.

Again it's not just one bad game and since when has more good games than bad been acceptable out of a goalkeeper? By that standard Howard was doing fine (he wasn't).

Being ok isn't the standard we require at Everton.

The first & third goals didn't have a single thing to do with the players downing tools they were two set pieces literally down the keepers throat.

It's like blaming the side being awful for Lukaku's recent penalty misses

 

[RFUS]

Again it's not just one bad game and since when has more good games than bad been acceptable out of a goalkeeper? By that standard Howard was doing fine (he wasn't).

Being ok isn't the standard we require at Everton.

The first & third goals didn't have a single thing to do with the players downing tools they were two set pieces literally down the keepers throat.

It's like blaming the side being awful for Lukaku's recent penalty misses

Since he came into the side for back to back appearances (starting last season when he had his first consecutive games when Howard was injured), yesterday was his first bad game I can recall. I was being conservative saying more good than bad. It's been 95% good.

But I do want and expect as good as possible, like you. If Joel was at his peak then I'd want us to look for better. I just think young keepers who've already shown improvement deserve a chance. Him and Barry are the only two who haven't let us down on the whole, so I really just don't like them being scapegoated.

Basically, he may not turn out to be our number 1 long term and I'm not claiming he will be. But I've seen enough good from him and enough improvement that I think he deserves his chance. If we go and buy a top class keeper I will not moan, but if we stick with Joel I'll be backing the lad. He genuinely cares and hasn't wilted like some of the cowards in this side have.

 

[sageyefc]

Again it's not just one bad game and since when has more good games than bad been acceptable out of a goalkeeper? By that standard Howard was doing fine (he wasn't).

Being ok isn't the standard we require at Everton.

The first & third goals didn't have a single thing to do with the players downing tools they were two set pieces literally down the keepers throat.

It's like blaming the side being awful for Lukaku's recent penalty misses

That was his first bad game since over a year or so. All keepers have a game like that every now and again

 

[Lanolin]

Last night might have been his first bad 'game', as in the entire 90 minutes, but he's made plenty of errors since he's been in the side, and to pretend he hasn't is ridiculous. A similar free kick to the one he messed up last night ended up being spilt back into the box on saturday, he didn't come for the cross that led to the first goal at Anfield, he let Costa walk past him in the Chelsea cup game and had got his angles all wrong, he didn't take charge of the situation leading to the corner at Watford (and then let the ball travel right across the 6 yard box without moving) and he could have come for a number of crosses at Palace that led to chances.

He's done really well in some games, and he's much better than he originally looked, but I think he's a lower end premier league keeper. He reminds me more of the likes of Krul, Mannone, and Hennessy than he does Lloris, De Gea and Hart.

I don't know whether part of it is how important you think the keepers role is. If we sold Lukaku, would people think it was OK to replace him with someone like Mbokani or or Joel Campbell, on the basis that they're decent enough players? I doubt it. I see the keeper situation as the same, Robles isn't awful, but I can't see him ever being one of the top 4/5 keepers in the league, which is what we need to be looking at if we have any ambition.

 

[madden95]

that was embarrassing all of it massively over rated just because people wanted howard gone that bad, howard would of done better with both of them

 

[hallamblue]

His positional sense isn't good enough. He should be replaced.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Still think he is just a decent keeper... not top end but would make a decent premier league keeper.

We should be looking at better then decent though, there is enough quality, and young quality (suit you sir) out there to be going out and making a statement.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

He's done really well and some games, and he's much better than he originally looked, but I think he's a lower end premier league keeper. He reminds me more of the likes of Krul, Mannone, and Hennessy than he does Lloris, De Gea and Hart.

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This pretty much what i just posted without seeing your post mate. my feelings exactly.