Joel Robles

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Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
How bad do I make Robles out to be mate?

Because as far as I can see I've said a lot of positive things about him in the past page or so

The difference is, the praise I give him isn't OTT like you and your fellow Robles fans give him

I've said he's had a decent run and should be allowed to keep it going. What I haven't called him is "the real deal" or "first class" or suggested he could be as good as De Gea

I've also defended Stekelenberg as being better than people say. I've not said he's amazing, but I've said he's got more in the bank than others do and that I'm fine with either of them starting at the moment

Your response to me now does nothing but prove my point. You are not holding both keepers to the same standard and you are being hyperbolic in the praise of one whilst being equally so in the other direction for his compatriot

The sad thing is Joey that even though you mean well, this overhype does not help Robles. In fact, it hurts him. His kicking is awful, just awful. Saying otherwise won't change this and just gives him a free pass in an area he desperately, desperately needs to improve if he's ever going to be a top keeper in this or any other League

His shot stopping is very good, as is his keeping in 1v1 situations. He's good/very good at commanding his box and crosses depending on the game but it fluctuates. As @TheCount has said, this could get better as his decision making gets better. That isn't me talking him down, that's me giving him a fair appraisal.

He isn't the finished article and he isn't "the real deal" no matter how much you argue the contrary Joey. Please, just try and take your fan goggles off and give him a balanced view, and also stop dumping on Stekelenberg as a way to make Robles look better by comparison. If Robles is as good as you say, you shouldn't need to do this
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I agree with a lot of what youre saying. Although, I actually think his kicking is technically good.

AaronTheBlue said:
Kicking is one of Joel's best traits. Its actually pretty pinpoint especially out of his hands so not sure where this argument is coming from.

Even last season the amount of attacks we started from his kicking was brilliant.
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Agree he strikes it well, but I think think he could improve where he's putting it.

You do see Rom waving his hands about in frustration at times, but okay, it's difficult, but, maybe the boy Romelu could work harder for the team.
 
Papa Shango said:
Id like to point out that I said he would be a good signing. I said this based on what i saw with my eyes not a spreadsheet.

Gueye can tackle, can pass a ball and runs all day for you. Its obvious just by watching him play.

Oh I am sure all teams do use them, that still doesn't mean they are of any real use. If they were effective then no top team would sign a dud but there are plenty of examples of it because they don't take the intangibles into the equation. There is no humanity involved in them. They would be useful if building a team of robots to play against other robots in an arena with no variables.
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If that's the standard we're setting, then no top team would have every signed a dud using traditional scouting ;)

They're both useful.
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
He was magisterial in the City game

I've never been more scared for an Everton side in an away end in all my life. They battered us for long periods of that match and he was an unbreakable wall. That's the real Stek, he just needs a run of form IMO

That being said, he shouldn't get one unless Robles form drops
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I'm not sure you can cherry pick what constitutes the real Stek. He's been wildly inconsistent for about 6 years now. At some point you have to accept that inconsistency is part of who he is as a keeper. And seeing as Joel has been so consistent, it's hard to see Stek ever justifying the number 1 position again.

I can cope with hit and miss wingers, maybe strikers, but keepers need to be avoiding major mistakes 95% of the time.
 

If Joel hadn't of been an Everton player before Koeman arrived, and we spent 15m in the summer on bringing him into the club for the first time, right now we would be saying it was a great piece of business from Koeman and Walsh and a great price for a keeper with years ahead of him.

People need to get over him being a Martinez buy, that he once played for Wigan and was benched in favor of a ageing Tim Howard.
 
RFUS said:
I'm not sure you can cherry pick what constitutes the real Stek. He's been wildly inconsistent for about 6 years now. At some point you have to accept that inconsistency is part of who he is as a keeper. And seeing as Joel has been so consistent, it's hard to see Stek ever justifying the number 1 position again.

I can cope with hit and miss wingers, maybe strikers, but keepers need to be avoiding major mistakes 95% of the time.
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You're right.

What constitutes a good goalkeeper is consistency. Joel for me doesn't drop below a 7/10 a week. Sometimes he's higher.

Stek on the other hand goes from playing a blinder "9/10" against city, to a 4/10 the following week.
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
No Joey, I'm being balanced and not hyperbolic

I've said numerous times now that I think he should be our #1 next season, how is that fence sitting? I'm just not building a shrine for him like you are

Go to the Howard thread last season, I was calling for Robles to get a game then

I've always been fair to Joel. I've said I consider him to be decent but not a top keeper and I've always called him out on his kicking. This isn't new stuff that's come to the fore this season, it's been a long upheld view of mine

Before I've always been adamant that he was just back up. The big change this season is that I'm now saying I want him to be #1 next season, but I'm not going to go OTT on the love in until he's proved he can do this on a consistent basis, and I'm going to continue pointing out not just his strengths but also his flaws whilst doing so

That's not fence sitting, that's just being rational
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sometimes poster slate players we all do it , but I admit when I am wrong - I do not post patronising hes okish post if a player turns the corner and starts playing top class then say so - Lukaku our leading goal scorer his hold play was appalling on our bad run he got stick - now he is scoring for fun he's great again - Robles imo has had 2 bad games for us since joining us - never been given a chance now he is proving himself you nit pick minor faults, which are OTT imo, and praise other attributes - face it he is atm in the top 4 keepers in the Prem better than the other two top expensive keepers over the park - let's celebrate that fact hey!
 

AaronTheBlue said:
You're right.

What constitutes a good goalkeeper is consistency. Joel for me doesn't drop below a 7/10 a week. Sometimes he's higher.

Stek on the other hand goes from playing a blinder "9/10" against city, to a 4/10 the following week.
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Deary me.

http://www.evertonfc.com/fixtures/2...ays-premier-league/liverpool-vs-everton/match

Here's one where Robles just might have dipped under the 7/10 barrier

Here's another http://www.evertonfc.com/fixtures/2...lays-premier-league/everton-vs-west-ham/match

The Krasnodar game another one


Come on lads, the hyperbole here is ridiculous.
 

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