Joel Robles

[BlueLlama]

Accept Joel into your life

No.

When RK can telldefenders not to foul the attacker if he went through one on one as Joel will save it the way Howard could with Big Nev then I'll accept him. Until then he is bang average, doing what a premier league keepr should while you lot soil the bedsheets over him because he isnt latter years Timmy H.

 

[Prevenger17]

No.

When RK can telldefenders not to foul the attacker if he went through one on one as Joel will save it the way Howard could with Big Nev then I'll accept him. Until then he is bang average, doing what a premier league keepr should while you lot soil the bedsheets over him because he isnt latter years Timmy H.

He's the new Nev, you will accept this in time.

 

[Furey1878]

Yeah.

It's all very well saying 'let's get another goalie' but wouldn't we just be replacing like for like?

Who is considerably better than him out there and available? Not many I'd bet.

Exactly mate, it'd only be worth it if it was a significant improvement. Until then I think the other 3 quarters of the pitch are more pressing issues.

 

[Ruairi77]

Love to see a player patiently bide his time, wait for his chance and then take it. No belly aching, no moaning to the papers. The lad seems to really like life at Everton. Long may it last!

 

[Joey66]

No.

When RK can telldefenders not to foul the attacker if he went through one on one as Joel will save it the way Howard could with Big Nev then I'll accept him. Until then he is bang average, doing what a premier league keepr should while you lot soil the bedsheets over him because he isnt latter years Timmy H.

Timmy H stayed five years too long one super game in the World Cup were he fell on his bum to save lumbered him with us !

 

[Joey66]

Bournemouth must really hate Joel almost as bad as @BlueLlama -
Look at this pen save -

 

[Tel001]

The problem with statistics in football is that it's very difficult to actually gain anything meaningful from them due to the nature of the game.

Keeping this about Joel, you could look at the stats somebody posted above and say that he must be better at claiming crosses than all the other keepers, but only when you actually watch the games and take into account the opposition etc can you see whether that's accurate. A keeper can have a very high save percentage, but if that's because the defence in front of them is rock solid and all the shots are pot shots from outside the box and poor angles then it tells you nothing. Similarly a keeper can rack up a load of 'unnecessary' saves which actually put their team under pressure - getting their angles wrong and tipping shots over or wide when they were never going in to start with for example, or pushing shots back into the danger area rather than just catching them. For that reason I don't think stats are a good way of comparing players, as it's effectively apples and oranges.

As for Joel, he's been very good in the main since he came in to the side about a year ago and he should never have been replaced by Stekelenburg in my opinion. What he needs to do now though is become a really consistent keeper, putting together a long run of good games and cementing himself as our undisputed number 1. Once he's done that, he can try to push on to the mythical 'next level' where he's recognised as being truly top class. If he does that, we'll all be happy for him to be first choice for as long as possible.

Agreed ... Tim Howard holds the world record for saves made in a match... was against Belgium I think... literallly all of the shots should have been saved and were pretty much straight at him... but him being a world record holder should signal that he's a top GK right? Wrong .... he was a mediocre player and I know that through using my eyes to watch him... not reading his stats

 

[Tel001]

That's your opinion mate and you're entitled to it, but I'm not sold yet, and I think people like yourself are over hyping Robles before he's truly proven himself. I also strongly believe that this type of over hype does not help him, and I'm actually starting to get a bit worried for him because I've seen how the Deulofeu situation played out and I'd be sad to see the same thing happen to Robles, because he doesn't deserve that

Plus, if arguments are going to be made that the defence is more to blame for us conceding goals and Robles is not, how come the same consideration has not been made for Stekelenberg? Why is there a double standard? Just because he is older? How is that fair? Surely if the defence can cause Robles to concede goals it also stands to reason that they could do the same for Stekelenberg does it not?

That's all people like me are saying. We believe that Robles and Stekelenberg are being held to different standards and that Robles abilities are being exaggerated by his fan base, whilst Stekelenberg's are being unfairly downplayed

All we ask is that Robles be held to a reasonable level of critical consideration and that both keepers are rated on an even playing field, as opposed to Robles always getting the benefit of the doubt and Stekelenberg always getting treated like the proverbial red headed step child (No offence intended to any red heads amongst us)

Basically, this is a plea for the Robles fan base to not fight and scratch over every single piece of criticism sent his way, however minor it may be. It is a plea to them to not keep pretending that his kicking doesn't need a massive improvement. It is a plea to not act like everything he does is fantastic and that he is on par with all the top keepers and a possible future De Gea

Now, it might be that the Robles fans are not capable of this. If that is the case then I will voluntarily not post in this particular thread. If you want a "safe space" to shower Robles with praise, then I can respect that. I admire your dedication to the lad and I'm happy for him because he seems like a decent bloke. It's good that he has a following, and long may it continue. I don't want to upset people or rile people up in anyway. I will simply post any critiques of Robles in other threads and not step on your toes in here

I don't have an agenda here. I like Robles and nothing would please me more if he was good enough to be a top keeper for us because, as you say, it would save us a lot of money and would also leave a role for Stekelenberg as back up. But I'm not going to pretend things are there that aren't, sorry I'm just not. If he does well, I'll recognise it and if doesn't do well I'm afraid I'm going to mention it, and if I think we need another keeper other than him then I'm afraid I'm going to say so. All I ask is that you respect that, and I will in turn respect your opinions. Thank you

Delefoue stituation? You can't compare these two IMO... Gerry has been better than every player he's ever played against in his youth and never had to overcome any obstacles... when he turned pro he has been signed on loan 3 times and has been dropped by 4-5 managers and not responded correctly . Robles has won played second fiddle at athletico... so moved to Wigan for games... won something but also got relagated... he moved again and played second fiddle ... he got a few games and didn't look convincing.... he got a chance kept 3-4 clean sheets and then got dropped for a joker again. The joker left and then another goalie brought in and played before him... he's continued to improve disputes all these set backs... and now he's got his chance and making it impossible to drop him... the difference in mentality of these two people is so vast that I don't believe a "Gerry situation" is likely with Robles. He's mentally tough and works hard ... I hope and think he's going to be a top 6 prem GK

 

[johnjoeefc]

Stekelenburg has also had some great performances. He's new to the club and had been back up for a while elsewhere, it's only reasonable that he'd need some time to bed in and start putting some form together. People find excuses for those good games though, such as both pens in the City game being poor etc, but that doesn't wash with me I'm afraid

Both of them are good shot stoppers but crap kickers, it's a pick em for me if they were side by side at a standing start

The big difference is that Robles has had a good run of form, so it's only reasonable to keep him in to see if he can continue it

I have no fear of Stek wearing the gloves, none whatsoever

If Robles can stake his claim as #1, then I'd be fine with Stekelenburg staying on as back up and cup captain

I don't see the gulf everyone else does

Robles is ahead right now for sure, but it's not by a country mile

First off Mikey I have a lot of respect for your posts and think generally you talk a lot of sense and have made some really good calls with regards to potential players to sign for example van dijk when he was at Celtic.

However this is where the brownnosing ends.....

I totally disagree with your stance on this. Stekelenburg has made 2 or 3 high profile errors this season and 1 or 2 of them have cost us points. One in particular that springs to mind is Burnley away, that potentially cost us 3 points as it gave Burnley something to hold on for in a game where we really dominated. He also made a massive clanger while being our player on international duty for the Netherlands which cost them. Stek is a decent backup goalkeeper because he has the ability to pull off great saves but his concentration levels aren't as good as Robles have been. Robles has also made huge saves but made no errors since regaining the number 1 spot. Robles is also a lot younger and has lots of room for improvement.

So basically I feel Robles has all that is needed to be our keeper for years to come and the gulf that you refer to is based on mistakes. Joel has made none in his run and Stek has made 2 or 3.

 

[tbone1970]

Hope we keep faith with Joel, he's come on leaps and bounds with the new goalkeeping coach..(whatever is name is!!)

 

[johnjoeefc]

First off Mikey I have a lot of respect for your posts and think generally you talk a lot of sense and have made some really good calls with regards to potential players to sign for example van dijk when he was at Celtic.

However this is where the brownnosing ends.....

I totally disagree with your stance on this. Stekelenburg has made 2 or 3 high profile errors this season and 1 or 2 of them have cost us points. One in particular that springs to mind is Burnley away, that potentially cost us 3 points as it gave Burnley something to hold on for in a game where we really dominated. He also made a massive clanger while being our player on international duty for the Netherlands which cost them. Stek is a decent backup goalkeeper because he has the ability to pull off great saves but his concentration levels aren't as good as Robles have been. Robles has also made huge saves but made no errors since regaining the number 1 spot. Robles is also a lot younger and has lots of room for improvement.

So basically I feel Robles has all that is needed to be our keeper for years to come and the gulf that you refer to is based on mistakes. Joel has made none in his run and Stek has made 2 or 3.

oh and another mistake stek made was against man utd when he was in no mans land for ibrahimovics lob

 

[joey_macmo]

Deary me.

http://www.evertonfc.com/fixtures/2...ays-premier-league/liverpool-vs-everton/match

Here's one where Robles just might have dipped under the 7/10 barrier

Here's another http://www.evertonfc.com/fixtures/2...lays-premier-league/everton-vs-west-ham/match

The Krasnodar game another one


Come on lads, the hyperbole here is ridiculous.

The list is at least 10 games long and that might be just his first season here

 

[joey_macmo]

FGS if you are talking about stats in that game we played one full time player with 10 kids all at once on about referring to stats as another game when the stats were it was our under 23 team v a Euro competition team to give them a run out if Timmy Coward had been in goal he would have looked more like Frankie Howard in that game!lol

The side had 6 internationals & 2 England U21 internationals in it?

 

[sharkey1001]

Give him to the end of the season, and assess then.

I am sceptical that he will ever be good for us now, never mind where we want to be.

Timo Horn for me. Could be as good as Neuer from what I have seen.

 

[upthetoffees]

Agreed ... Tim Howard holds the world record for saves made in a match... was against Belgium I think... literallly all of the shots should have been saved and were pretty much straight at him... but him being a world record holder should signal that he's a top GK right? Wrong .... he was a mediocre player and I know that through using my eyes to watch him... not reading his stats

^This. Same with lots of high stat strikers and their PK goal numbers. I know usually it's indicated how many were PKs but when your star striker is your regular penalty taker, it's sort of a cheap stat grab. I'm sure that's not what the manager cares about, nor the striker, but it's true nonetheless.