Joel Robles

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jinkyali said:
Just out of interest, when did he last flap? I am struggling.
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I just have an inherent distrust of Joel and maybe that clouds my view in terms of trusting him not to come and flap, even when realistically he's been in good form for a few games now.

I've praised him in the past when he came in for Howard, but I'm still not convinced he's the long term number 1, but on current form he certainly deserves his place. I'm contradicting myself all over the place there but I just find myself waiting for a succession of clangers from him.
 

Just checked and Joel has 7 clean sheets from 10 league starts. That's an incredible statistic. Only Courtois (13), De Gea (10), Lloris (10), Forster (9) and Cech (8) have more, but they have between 23-26 starts each this season.

Of course the last one was as easy as it gets and the defence have to take a lot of the credit, but I don't think a bad keeper can fluke that kind of ratio. He's clearly doing a fine job and the defence trust him, which makes a big difference.
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
Because he had some culpability for it I assume

It doesn't make him a bad keeper like, and he's played well before and since, but why pretend something didn't happen?
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I'm not pretending anything didn't happen, I posed the question why do people blame him for THAT goal?

If it had gone straight in, under him, over him, if it was straight at him, or if he had fumbled it in, I could understand, but he's essentially being blamed for not saving an awkward shot that wasn't on target.

Its less a goalkeeping error and more a testament to their unending luck and hold over us.

Pickford, who is heralded as the next big thing, fumbled more on Saturday than Joel has since he's been back in the team. Granted, none led to goals, but If Joel had made any of those same mistakes, he'd have been crucified.

I've had the argument with other people, when they say Joel "has a mistake in him", like there's some magical goalkeeper out there who doesn't. They tend to equate our improved cleansheet records on our tighter defence, and Joel just happens to be the beneficiary, when is the 3rd time in 3 years he has came in to a team struggling defensively, and it has miraculously improved.

They also point to the stunning saves Stek made and how most of the saves Joel makes are "saves he should be making". But that's what good goalkeepers do. Their positioning is better, they make the saves look easier.

I believe the defence is more organised with him there, and they seem more confident in him as well, which helps an untold amount. His distribution is much better too, all things that chop away with needing to make the "worldies" in the 1st place.

As you can see by the rest of my points, I happen to like Joel, so maybe I'm biased.
He seems like a likable guy and I think he's got the makings of a really, really good keeper. I'm not saying he never makes or has made mistakes, but i just cannot see how attaching any blame on that goal to him is anything other than trying to find fault were there is none.
 

Kever10 said:
I'm not pretending anything didn't happen, I posed the question why do people blame him for THAT goal?

If it had gone straight in, under him, over him, if it was straight at him, or if he had fumbled it in, I could understand, but he's essentially being blamed for not saving an awkward shot that wasn't on target.

Its less a goalkeeping error and more a testament to their unending luck and hold over us.

Pickford, who is heralded as the next big thing, fumbled more on Saturday than Joel has since he's been back in the team. Granted, none led to goals, but If Joel had made any of those same mistakes, he'd have been crucified.

I've had the argument with other people, when they say Joel "has a mistake in him", like there's some magical goalkeeper out there who doesn't. They tend to equate our improved cleansheet records on our tighter defence, and Joel just happens to be the beneficiary, when is the 3rd time in 3 years he has came in to a team struggling defensively, and it has miraculously improved.

They also point to the stunning saves Stek made and how most of the saves Joel makes are "saves he should be making". But that's what good goalkeepers do. Their positioning is better, they make the saves look easier.

I believe the defence is more organised with him there, and they seem more confident in him as well, which helps an untold amount. His distribution is much better too, all things that chop away with needing to make the "worldies" in the 1st place.

As you can see by the rest of my points, I happen to like Joel, so maybe I'm biased.
He seems like a likable guy and I think he's got the makings of a really, really good keeper. I'm not saying he never makes or has made mistakes, but i just cannot see how attaching any blame on that goal to him is anything other than trying to find fault were there is none.
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I also like Joel, and I want him to stay in as keeper, but I do think he could have done more with that goal

Was he solely to blame? Of course not

Does he shoulder some blame? I believe he does

To me, whereas the Robles haters are finding reasons to have a go at him, I personally feel the Robles fans are going out of their way to do the opposite

I think neither approach is the best way forward

Again, some of his kicking on Saturday was terrible, almost straight to a Sunderland player on numerous occasions, but I bet some in here will argue till they are blue in the face that his kicking was superb and that I'm nit picking etc

As bad and as unfair as some of Robles detractors are being, his supporters are being over effusive when it comes to praise for him in my opinion

But I don't want to rehash old points, have a look at the rest of the thread if you want a greater insight to my thoughts
 
Kever10 said:
I'm not pretending anything didn't happen, I posed the question why do people blame him for THAT goal?

If it had gone straight in, under him, over him, if it was straight at him, or if he had fumbled it in, I could understand, but he's essentially being blamed for not saving an awkward shot that wasn't on target.

Its less a goalkeeping error and more a testament to their unending luck and hold over us.

Pickford, who is heralded as the next big thing, fumbled more on Saturday than Joel has since he's been back in the team. Granted, none led to goals, but If Joel had made any of those same mistakes, he'd have been crucified.

I've had the argument with other people, when they say Joel "has a mistake in him", like there's some magical goalkeeper out there who doesn't. They tend to equate our improved cleansheet records on our tighter defence, and Joel just happens to be the beneficiary, when is the 3rd time in 3 years he has came in to a team struggling defensively, and it has miraculously improved.

They also point to the stunning saves Stek made and how most of the saves Joel makes are "saves he should be making". But that's what good goalkeepers do. Their positioning is better, they make the saves look easier.

I believe the defence is more organised with him there, and they seem more confident in him as well, which helps an untold amount. His distribution is much better too, all things that chop away with needing to make the "worldies" in the 1st place.

As you can see by the rest of my points, I happen to like Joel, so maybe I'm biased.
He seems like a likable guy and I think he's got the makings of a really, really good keeper. I'm not saying he never makes or has made mistakes, but i just cannot see how attaching any blame on that goal to him is anything other than trying to find fault were there is none.
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In my opinion he should have done better with that goal, and as it was in the last minute against Liverpool, it's not particularly surprising that it sticks in people's minds is it?

It wasn't a complete howler, and it's not indicative of his recent performances, but you're questioning why people have mentioned it when it seems fairly self explanatory.
 
4737carlin said:
Out of desperation to be right, is that it the biggest mistake he has made this season we really have unearthed a gem
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Yes looking at Forster yesterday who will cost millions and millions in a five year deal - one free kick he was badly positioned and did not get his defensive wall right the third goal the header went through his 6ft 6 inch frame he has had a poor season for Southampton -
Robles form has been up there in the top 5 prem keepers!
 
Joey66 said:
Yes looking at Forster yesterday who will cost millions and millions in a five year deal - one free kick he was badly positioned and did not get his defensive wall right the third goal the header went through his 6ft 6 inch frame he has had a poor season for Southampton -
Robles form has been up there in the top 5 prem keepers!
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I thought he should have done a lot more with Lingards goal as well. I know Lingard finished it well but he was a placed shot that was a foot inside the post.
 

In his last 10 games he's conceded 8 goals, and kept 6 clean sheets. Pretty decent when you think that 3 of those goals conceded he could do nothing about, when the team just stopped playing against Bournemouth at home, and we still won the game and he made important stops to prevent them from equalising. He's earned his position until the end of the season.

I think Koeman and the club should make moves for top class goalkeepers (i.e. those possibly out of our league, but worth a try on top wages), and if he can't tempt a real top-end keeper in he should go with Robles next season.
 

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