Joel Robles

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joey_macmo said:
He's in a side that concedes a hell of a lot more shots than Everton, that concedes better chances than Everton and that offers less protection than Everton.

And he still saves a greater percentage of shots on goal than Joel.

Pickford has been playing representative football for the national side his whole career
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So has Robles...

Save percentage is another nothing stat by the way. It doesn't tell the full story (Neither do clean sheets if I am to be fair both ways). Actually playing for a national side isn't an indicator of anything these days either, especially not the youth set up.

I'm not having a go at Pickford by the way, nor am I standing up for Joel here, I just think there are better/safer options out there. Pickford would be a risky signing who I personally think would not improve us in the short term which is what we need right now if we are going to replace the goalie.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
I don't think Robles has it in him to become a really top class keeper. He can be a very good one, and in fairness I think he's nearly there now. He's still only 26 and in goalkeeping terms still learning the game. But a proper top class keeper can be worth 10 points every season and that would certainly help us get regular CL football. So that needs to be our aim.

Ideally we would sign that class of keeper straightaway but, realistically, who could we feasibly get that would be prepared to come here. Possibly only Jack Butland, and even then we need to see how he recovers from over a season out with serious injuries. I just don't see the point in splashing out serious money on a keeper who is only going to be a small step up at best on what we have now. There are other area's of the team that need serious repair work, and that's without the potential loss of Rom and Ross. Unless we are able to sign somebody of Butlands class, we should concentrate on improving the other positions where our need is greater.

As regards Robles, I think he's coming in for a lot of unfair criticism at the moment. Take yesterday's game for example. If Lukaku had scored that first goal we would have been lauding it as a fantastic, cool, clinical finish. But no, it goes down as a keeping error. The second goal I can understand the shouts for a keeping error. What I will say in Joel's defence, is that this season he has been vastly improved in coming and collecting crosses in his own area and has probably been as anyone in the league at this. For the second goal, he set himself for the cross and was therefore a bit flatfooted when Allbrighton, intentionally or not, went for goal. It was in the top corner anyway and hit with plenty of whip, so I'm still not sure he would have got there had he stayed in his line. It was very similar to Rooney's 250th Man Utd goal and I haven't heard one commentator criticise Stokes keeper for that goal. Would we have liked him to have done better for both goals?. You bet. Should they go down as obvious errors or clangers?. Not in my view. The other thing to acknowledge is that neither goal would have even got as far as Robles had the defenders done their job properly.

Same with the other recent mistakes being highlighted. He was absolutely clobbered after the derby but I could only put the last goal down as a definite error as he sold himself and made it easy for Origi. The first 2 goals again were really poor defending and good finishes that Robles didn't really have any chance of stopping. The Spurs game I would blame him for terrible decision making for their second goal when he rolled the ball out to Schneids. But again, Schneids was equally culpable in that goal but nobody's even mentioned his role in it since. But it's wheeled out at every opportunity in this thread.

In the premier there are 3 stand out keepers at United, Chelsea and Spurs, and possibly a 4th at Stoke if Butland get's his form back after injury. Joel is very much in that next group alongside the likes of Forster, Cech, Heaton & Schmeicel. Our aim should be to go for one of the elite keepers and I wouldn't complain if we brought one in even though I would prefer us to concentrate on other areas of need. But I would complain if we wasted good money on one of these other keepers who are, in my opinion, no great improvement on Robles.
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Great post with lots I agree with. The bolded bit drives me mad though and seems to be a massive issue with our club. We don't half play ourselves down!

We are a "forwardly mobile" club who should be in Europe next season, with a legendary player as a manager and a billionaire bank rolling us and a sexy new stadium to look forward to.

Lets dream a bit! There are only so many goalkeeper spots out there so if we throw a bit of money at a good one we may land him. We talk ourselves down way too much.
 
Papa Shango said:
Great post with lots I agree with. The bolded bit drives me mad though and seems to be a massive issue with our club. We don't half play ourselves down!

We are a "forwardly mobile" club who should be in Europe next season, with a legendary player as a manager and a billionaire bank rolling us and a sexy new stadium to look forward to.

Lets dream a bit! There are only so many goalkeeper spots out there so if we throw a bit of money at a good one we may land him. We talk ourselves down way too much.
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There's keepers sat on the bench at European clubs that are better than Robles. Are we saying they wouldn't move to be number 1? Of course they would. I'd have United and Arsenal's number 2s over Robles tbh, maybe even Vorm at Spurs too.
 

Saint Domingo said:
There's keepers sat on the bench at European clubs that are better than Robles. Are we saying they wouldn't move to be number 1? Of course they would. I'd have United and Arsenal's number 2s over Robles tbh, maybe even Vorm at Spurs too.
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I wouldn't personally with those players but yeah there are players out there.

PSG for example have two very decent goalies. They can only play one of them. Players like Ruffier, Perin (pre leg falling off) play for "lesser" clubs as well and could be tempted.
 
Papa Shango said:
So has Robles...

Save percentage is another nothing stat by the way. It doesn't tell the full story (Neither do clean sheets if I am to be fair both ways). Actually playing for a national side isn't an indicator of anything these days either, especially not the youth set up.

I'm not having a go at Pickford by the way, nor am I standing up for Joel here, I just think there are better/safer options out there. Pickford would be a risky signing who I personally think would not improve us in the short term which is what we need right now if we are going to replace the goalie.
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Robles Has played 1 or 2 rep games his whole career, it's just another Myth About him of which there seems to be tons of.

People were using save percentage earlier in the thread to try and insinuate Joel was the best keeper in the league, its the only reason I've brought it up to be honest.
 
Saint Domingo said:
There's keepers sat on the bench at European clubs that are better than Robles. Are we saying they wouldn't move to be number 1? Of course they would. I'd have United and Arsenal's number 2s over Robles tbh, maybe even Vorm at Spurs too.
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Don't agree with that at all mate. There's probably 4 keepers in the premier who I rate higher than Robles. another 4 or so that I would put him on a par with, and the rest, including those sitting on benches at any of the so called big clubs, are not as good as him.

As for Europe, there may be somebody out there waiting to be unearthed but they will be under the radar at the moment if so.

Going by the keepers you mentioned you'd be happy to bring in you obviously don't rate Robles at all. A little over a year ago I'd have been in agreement with you, but he's won me over since then. Not top class, and I doubt he ever will be, but we need to bring in somebody top class to replace him otherwise it's money wasted in my view.
 

Barnfred 55 said:
The Spurs game I would blame him for terrible decision making for their second goal when he rolled the ball out to Schneids. But again, Schneids was equally culpable in that goal but nobody's even mentioned his role in it since. But it's wheeled out at every opportunity in this thread.
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I agree with you about the third goal. Morgan called for the ball and Joel gave it to him.

But it was the first goal that was worse at Spurs. He should never have let that shot beat him at his nearside.

If the club can sign Butland or Leicester' s keeper then great or maybe even Heaton - that's a clear improvement but Robles is as good as most in the Premier and I still think Pickford is not obviously better than him.
 
I still say there is not much of a difference between the Schmeicels of the PL and Robles. Bernd Leno. Thats the guy we should be aiming for. Haven't watched as much Bundesliga as last year but he's a clear and definite step up.
 
Joey66 said:
You could say that about seven other positions - we would all like to have the no 1 player in most positions to get to be champions?
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Yep that's true.

But we just need better than Joel in general.

A goalkeeper is so key and while Joel is nowhere near Howard (of the last few years) bad, he doesn't fill you with confidence either.
 

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