Joel Robles

[Chimpy Glassman]

They way I see it, this thread is split in to 2 camps.

The 1st group, and definitely the majority, largely made up of the "funny" clique members who's opinions count double because they post more often, so you know, that counts for something I guess. Only a fool would dare question them, for fear of being ridiculed by the pack, and by sheer volume alone, shouted down to the point of drowning the original post in an ocean of terrible "in" jokes and thinly veiled attacks designed to detract and belittle anyone's opinion that doesn't fit the cliques agenda.

They unobjectively think that Joel is terrible, and so rather than see him for what he is, devalue anything he does well and magnify any hint of a mistake, even going as far as to blame him for goals he couldnt really do anything about (RS at home).

They like to compare him to other goalkeepers from other teams, in other leagues or other generations altogether, because that is obviously fair and can't possibly be influenced by other circumstances, ie teams they play in, players they play with, etc.

Any indication that any of these other goalkeepers are anything less than superhuman, when making their own mistakes, and they all do, is dismissed almost as fast as any praise that is sent the way of Joel.

The other group, the minority, is made up of people who have watched Joel perform well (not amazing as the other group would have you believe) and are judging his performances next to the only real thing you truly judge him on. Games he's played, saves he's made, goals he's conceded. Most of these people fall in to the category of non clique members, not enjoying the same level of wit (Hahaha) as their hilarious counterparts, and in trying to use reason to argue their case, are shot down because Joel actually isn't 1980's Neville Southall, or some other mutant goalkeeper who doesn't make mistakes or concede goals, ever.

They say, within reason, that Joel is the best Goalkeeper we have, and based on his overall performance, has deserved his run in the side, and deserves to be considered a viable option, especially if we are to spend big in the summer, as other areas need addressing sooner.

Not once has anyone in this group compared Joel favourably to any any legend or even any of the unrealistic targets the other group have listed as alternatives. But in suggesting that he has largely done well, and is better than some of the other subpar, less experienced, or unknown goalkeepers we would still have to spend a fortune on to sign, he has done enough, for the most part, to be given an extended run until a top, top keeper becomes available.

They have also rightly tried to point out, that even these top keepers, Lloris, DeGea, Courtois, etc, have also made mistakes... But they don't count because none of them ever played for Wigan.

And yet, they all still seem to like Leighton Baines.

So basically, the people arguing the case for Joel need to stop. The decision has been made. You can't have an opinion. The clique has spoken. Joel is crap. No matter what you witness yourself, it doesn't matter, it's an illusion. If Joel were keep 38 clean sheets next season, it wouldn't be because of him, it would in spite of him. But every goal conceded would most definitely be his fault.

He can go for weeks, months, without making a mistake, but the clique will be waiting with baited breath, for the 1st hint of an error to jump on his back. And they will take pleasure from it too. Which is frankly bizarre.

TL;DR.

Robles is not good enough. You will see Koeman buy another keeper in the summer.

In future, try not to ramble.

 

[Joey66]

TL;DR.

Robles is not good enough. You will see Koeman buy another keeper in the summer.

In future, try not to ramble.

Well I hope he improves on his last signing as a keeper a reject Fulham keeper who,is injury prone!

 

[iamEverton]

They way I see it, this thread is split in to 2 camps.

The 1st group, and definitely the majority, largely made up of the "funny" clique members who's opinions count double because they post more often, so you know, that counts for something I guess. Only a fool would dare question them, for fear of being ridiculed by the pack, and by sheer volume alone, shouted down to the point of drowning the original post in an ocean of terrible "in" jokes and thinly veiled attacks designed to detract and belittle anyone's opinion that doesn't fit the cliques agenda.

They unobjectively think that Joel is terrible, and so rather than see him for what he is, devalue anything he does well and magnify any hint of a mistake, even going as far as to blame him for goals he couldnt really do anything about (RS at home).

They like to compare him to other goalkeepers from other teams, in other leagues or other generations altogether, because that is obviously fair and can't possibly be influenced by other circumstances, ie teams they play in, players they play with, etc.

Any indication that any of these other goalkeepers are anything less than superhuman, when making their own mistakes, and they all do, is dismissed almost as fast as any praise that is sent the way of Joel.

The other group, the minority, is made up of people who have watched Joel perform well (not amazing as the other group would have you believe) and are judging his performances next to the only real thing you truly judge him on. Games he's played, saves he's made, goals he's conceded. Most of these people fall in to the category of non clique members, not enjoying the same level of wit (Hahaha) as their hilarious counterparts, and in trying to use reason to argue their case, are shot down because Joel actually isn't 1980's Neville Southall, or some other mutant goalkeeper who doesn't make mistakes or concede goals, ever.

They say, within reason, that Joel is the best Goalkeeper we have, and based on his overall performance, has deserved his run in the side, and deserves to be considered a viable option, especially if we are to spend big in the summer, as other areas need addressing sooner.

Not once has anyone in this group compared Joel favourably to any any legend or even any of the unrealistic targets the other group have listed as alternatives. But in suggesting that he has largely done well, and is better than some of the other subpar, less experienced, or unknown goalkeepers we would still have to spend a fortune on to sign, he has done enough, for the most part, to be given an extended run until a top, top keeper becomes available.

They have also rightly tried to point out, that even these top keepers, Lloris, DeGea, Courtois, etc, have also made mistakes... But they don't count because none of them ever played for Wigan.

And yet, they all still seem to like Leighton Baines.

So basically, the people arguing the case for Joel need to stop. The decision has been made. You can't have an opinion. The clique has spoken. Joel is crap. No matter what you witness yourself, it doesn't matter, it's an illusion. If Joel were keep 38 clean sheets next season, it wouldn't be because of him, it would in spite of him. But every goal conceded would most definitely be his fault.

He can go for weeks, months, without making a mistake, but the clique will be waiting with baited breath, for the 1st hint of an error to jump on his back. And they will take pleasure from it too. Which is frankly bizarre.

In your rambling you forgot to mention the clique thats #EvertonforEverton.
The movement is gaining momentum.

 

[chicoazul]

In your rambling you forgot to mention the clique thats #EvertonforEverton.
The movement is gaining momentum.

Evo lad!

 

[iamEverton]

Well I hope he improves on his last signing as a keeper a reject Fulham keeper who,is injury prone!

It's truly a what have you done for me lately world. Stek is easily one of the best Dutch Keepers since Van de Saar. Was integeral piece of their World Cup run when they lost to Spain in the final. His Two penalty saves against City were beautiful, doubt Robles would've stopped either. They both are prone to absolute bone headed mistakes. However I rate Stek higher and so did Koeman til Stek was out with Injury.

 

[Goat]

In your rambling you forgot to mention the clique thats #EvertonforEverton.
The movement is gaining momentum.

Pipe down you.

 

[Azzurri]

Pipe down you.

Goat??? Ross is a good lad.

 

[when i score we riot]

There are three categories of things keepers are expected to do:

- Make saves and catch crosses
- Distribute the ball, organize the defence
- Not make awful mistakes/Be eternally reliable

Every keeper varies in these three departments. Our two keepers are both rather good/above average at the first two, and curiously enough both are slightly week in the last department. This is what we know.

Can we get a keeper who ticks the boxes better than Stek and Joel? To be realistic, i don't really think we can. Seriously, who would that be?

 

[tommye]

You are clearly exorcised by the criticism of Robles, and I agree some of it is over the top. Where I disagree is that all of the criticism is unwarranted. I think there is a third group who don't actually think Robles is terrible but don't believe he is good enough to take us to the next level, who don't believe he is capable of commanding his box or his defenders in a manner that will gain us the 8 or 9 points a season that a truly top keeper can get for you by turning losses into draws and draws into wins. I'm not sold by Robles but I am certainly not a clique member (all of @Moomin, @chicoazul, @MorgsGoat etc.. have called me a cock or some other charming name at some point or another).

I'm outraged at your treatment by these monsters. I shall write a strongly worded letter to my MP highlighting your treatment and my disgust at those ruffians.

 

[Bud McBlokeski]

I tell you, Juventus are going to rue the day that I invent a time machine and go back to kidnap Buffon.

 

[Boss_Blue]

They way I see it, this thread is split in to 2 camps.

The 1st group, and definitely the majority, largely made up of the "funny" clique members who's opinions count double because they post more often, so you know, that counts for something I guess. Only a fool would dare question them, for fear of being ridiculed by the pack, and by sheer volume alone, shouted down to the point of drowning the original post in an ocean of terrible "in" jokes and thinly veiled attacks designed to detract and belittle anyone's opinion that doesn't fit the cliques agenda.

They unobjectively think that Joel is terrible, and so rather than see him for what he is, devalue anything he does well and magnify any hint of a mistake, even going as far as to blame him for goals he couldnt really do anything about (RS at home).

They like to compare him to other goalkeepers from other teams, in other leagues or other generations altogether, because that is obviously fair and can't possibly be influenced by other circumstances, ie teams they play in, players they play with, etc.

Any indication that any of these other goalkeepers are anything less than superhuman, when making their own mistakes, and they all do, is dismissed almost as fast as any praise that is sent the way of Joel.

The other group, the minority, is made up of people who have watched Joel perform well (not amazing as the other group would have you believe) and are judging his performances next to the only real thing you truly judge him on. Games he's played, saves he's made, goals he's conceded. Most of these people fall in to the category of non clique members, not enjoying the same level of wit (Hahaha) as their hilarious counterparts, and in trying to use reason to argue their case, are shot down because Joel actually isn't 1980's Neville Southall, or some other mutant goalkeeper who doesn't make mistakes or concede goals, ever.

They say, within reason, that Joel is the best Goalkeeper we have, and based on his overall performance, has deserved his run in the side, and deserves to be considered a viable option, especially if we are to spend big in the summer, as other areas need addressing sooner.

Not once has anyone in this group compared Joel favourably to any any legend or even any of the unrealistic targets the other group have listed as alternatives. But in suggesting that he has largely done well, and is better than some of the other subpar, less experienced, or unknown goalkeepers we would still have to spend a fortune on to sign, he has done enough, for the most part, to be given an extended run until a top, top keeper becomes available.

They have also rightly tried to point out, that even these top keepers, Lloris, DeGea, Courtois, etc, have also made mistakes... But they don't count because none of them ever played for Wigan.

And yet, they all still seem to like Leighton Baines.

So basically, the people arguing the case for Joel need to stop. The decision has been made. You can't have an opinion. The clique has spoken. Joel is crap. No matter what you witness yourself, it doesn't matter, it's an illusion. If Joel were keep 38 clean sheets next season, it wouldn't be because of him, it would in spite of him. But every goal conceded would most definitely be his fault.

He can go for weeks, months, without making a mistake, but the clique will be waiting with baited breath, for the 1st hint of an error to jump on his back. And they will take pleasure from it too. Which is frankly bizarre.

Rattled.

 

[Boss_Blue]

Huge fan of Joey Robbleburger here man. The clique can get to f.

 

[Joey66]

It's truly a what have you done for me lately world. Stek is easily one of the best Dutch Keepers since Van de Saar. Was integeral piece of their World Cup run when they lost to Spain in the final. His Two penalty saves against City were beautiful, doubt Robles would've stopped either. They both are prone to absolute bone headed mistakes. However I rate Stek higher and so did Koeman til Stek was out with Injury.

Holland match talk me through the pogba 40 yard shot that went straight through him he is a very poor keeper now - once maybe a good keeper the pen saves v City he could have thrown his cap on them - talk me trough his game v UNt at home were he cost us 3 points or his away game v Chelsea were he forgot how to dive?
as the last poster stated pipe down, we need a keeper, and out of the two the Stek imo is not one of them!
Robles would be competition for any other keeper who comes in - until his recent blip he has held his place since December, and we have shot up the league he has kept clean sheets and made many good saves , and he controls his box!
The stek is stuck on his line!

 

[ijjysmith]

Holland match talk me through the pogba 40 yard shot that went straight through him he is a very poor keeper now - once maybe a good keeper the pen saves v City he could have thrown his cap on them - talk me trough his game v UNt at home were he cost us 3 points or his away game v Chelsea were he forgot how to dive?
as the last poster stated pipe down, we need a keeper, and out of the two the Stek imo is not one of them!
Robles would be competition for any other keeper who comes in - until his recent blip he has held his place since December, and we have shot up the league he has kept clean sheets and made many good saves , and he controls his box!
The stek is stuck on his line!

I suggest you watch that whole game again Joey mate.

 

[Joey66]

I suggest you watch that whole game again Joey mate.

hey do not inflict that punishment on me where we sat back ten men behind the ball and got murdered 1-1!
Stek I admit started well one calf injury and he became static hence he got dropped since December, put back in lets see how he does on Sunday hey ho!