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John Stones transfer saga

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As they say if it can happens it will happen. I suspect many a player has threatened this route and clubs really wouldn't want to lose a player asset for just compensation so the club will bite the bullit ensuring they still get a fee which inevitably will be bigger
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I said a week or so ago the who.e world of football transfers is a murky world
 
Unfortunately, I think events may have changed the time Stones has left here at Everton fundamentally. How could it not? The gilt looks a bit tarnished now. He's been leading a charmed life thus far in terms of having to shoulder any of the blame for defensive errors. He's an elegant player and if he continues to play in that manner he'll have his suitors outside Everton. I just think that he's damaged goods now with a domestic audience. The spell has been broken and he'd have to improve ten fold defensively to keep fans off his back. The transfer request will always be at the back of their minds and it'll work its way to the front if Stones is making obvious goal conceding mistakes.

Agree with that. Personally I'd sell anyone who didn't want to be here but seen as I'm in the minority then this sums it up for me. We've lost much better players and will in the future.
 
All fans are very fikcle. Liverpool fans for example burnnig Gerrard's shirt outside the ground and then conveniently forgetting he wanted to leave when he stayed and played well for them. Same with Suarez wanting to go to Arsenal. It's not just Liverpool fans either. If a player plays well enough then it appears as though they are forgiven for most things.

I think most of our fans will accept that he's young and got advised badly but also that moving to the champions. getting salary pretty much trebled etc was a decent opportunity - even more so if he keeps putting in good performances

Closer to home, Neville handed in a transfer request and staged a sit diwn protest on the pitch at half time one day.

:)

In football, as in life, there is always a way back from anything.
 
Unfortunately, I think events may have changed the time Stones has left here at Everton fundamentally. How could it not? The gilt looks a bit tarnished now. He's been leading a charmed life thus far in terms of having to shoulder any of the blame for defensive errors. He's an elegant player and if he continues to play in that manner he'll have his suitors outside Everton. I just think that he's damaged goods now with a domestic audience. The spell has been broken and he'd have to improve ten fold defensively to keep fans off his back. The transfer request will always be at the back of their minds and it'll work its way to the front if Stones is making obvious goal conceding mistakes.

Another positive post from Dave downer.
 

All fans are very fikcle. Liverpool fans for example burnnig Gerrard's shirt outside the ground and then conveniently forgetting he wanted to leave when he stayed and played well for them. Same with Suarez wanting to go to Arsenal. It's not just Liverpool fans either. If a player plays well enough then it appears as though they are forgiven for most things.

I think most of our fans will accept that he's young and got advised badly but also that moving to the champions. getting salary pretty much trebled etc was a decent opportunity - even more so if he keeps putting in good performances

I honestly believe his agent pressured him to agree to the request because it was the only way to keep Chelsea interested.

I'm over the player staying or leaving. I'm more interested in the statement of intent if we do keep him. Even though, I think he's gone.

£38million is ridiculous.
 
All fans are very fikcle. Liverpool fans for example burnnig Gerrard's shirt outside the ground and then conveniently forgetting he wanted to leave when he stayed and played well for them. Same with Suarez wanting to go to Arsenal. It's not just Liverpool fans either. If a player plays well enough then it appears as though they are forgiven for most things.

I think most of our fans will accept that he's young and got advised badly but also that moving to the champions. getting salary pretty much trebled etc was a decent opportunity - even more so if he keeps putting in good performances
Yeah, possibly. I'm just saying that the relationship has changed now.

With Gerrard he was a club legend who dragged them to the CL win (in their eyes) and was fundamental to them being anything whatsoever in the modern game. That re-acceptance was pragmatic. Stones' situation is different I would say. He doesn't have that kudos in the bank to draw on and he's not a player who we rely on 100%.

I hope things do settle down because everything's a bit helter skelter for him. I for one was furious and went way OTT over it. But when all is said and done he's been hounded by Chelsea and that has to be taken into consideration in his defence.
 
Unfortunately, I think events may have changed the time Stones has left here at Everton fundamentally. How could it not? The gilt looks a bit tarnished now. He's been leading a charmed life thus far in terms of having to shoulder any of the blame for defensive errors. He's an elegant player and if he continues to play in that manner he'll have his suitors outside Everton. I just think that he's damaged goods now with a domestic audience. The spell has been broken and he'd have to improve ten fold defensively to keep fans off his back. The transfer request will always be at the back of their minds and it'll work its way to the front if Stones is making obvious goal conceding mistakes.

I think if he puts in a couple of good performances most fans will forget about it.

I wasn't too arsed about the whole thing up until he had a pretty woeful game against Barnsley.

Assuming that he will still be here come Wednesday morning, a little "I have a long term contract with Everton and I'm here to play" statement would go a long way. If he regrets handing in the request, he can throw on an apology there too. None of us know the full story on that for sure.

We all (should) know that even if he stays and is unhappy, he has to perform if he wants to make the Euro squad next summer. And while you can talk about Martinez and the club making a stand and it's extremely relieving to see what they've done, I'm sure that little side note there is why they felt confident with keeping an "unhappy player" here.

For once, on one marquee transfer, the cards are actually in our favor.
 
Yeah, possibly. I'm just saying that the relationship has changed now.

With Gerrard he was a club legend who dragged them to the CL win (in their eyes) and was fundamental to them being anything whatsoever in the modern game. That re-acceptance was pragmatic. Stones' situation is different I would say. He doesn't have that kudos in the bank to draw on and he's not a player who we rely on 100%.

I hope things do settle down because everything's a bit helter skelter for him. I for one was furious and went way OTT over it. But when all is said and done he's been hounded by Chelsea and that has to be taken into consideration in his defence.

He's a young lad who has been offered the chance to join the existing Champions, to play CL football and receive mega bucks. This has been going on for months. Anyone, and I mean anyone, would have done the same. However he has,so far, shown a very professional approach for someone so young, unlike Sterling, and now that the club have said no deal will be done, everyone should, and I believe will, get behind him......

I feel more proud as an Evertonian because we told a smaller but richer club to sod off...........
 

Jose Mourinho has refused to comment on Chelsea's pursuit of John Stones but insists he will not be bothered if he does not bring in another defender before the transfer window closes.
Everton have turned down four bids from the Premier League champions for centre-back Stones, the latest understood to be in the region of £37million, and maintain they will not sell the 21-year-old this summer.
But Mourinho was in no mood to discuss Chelsea's interest in the England international ahead of this weekend's clash with Crystal Palace, as he declared himself happy with the strength of his squad.
“I don't speak about players from other teams," said Mourinho, when quizzed about Stones.
"I have a good squad. I'm happy with the squad I have. If I get another player until the end of the market, good. If I don't get, we go with what we have."
As well as Stones, Chelsea have also been linked with Paul Pogba, but Mourinho refused to entertain talk of a move for the Juventus midfielder either.
"I'm not going to do the 'like', 'I would like' of Pogba. He's a Juventus player, I'm the Chelsea manager," added Mourinho, who last week rebuked Juve boss Massimiliano Allegri for commenting on his fondness for Ramires and Oscar.
The Blues have also been linked with China right-back Zhang Linpeng from Guangzhou Evergande, an interest which is understood to be genuine. Once more, Mourinho was silent.
"He is a Guangzhou player, so it's the same story. I don't comment," Mourinho added

err am I reading that bit in bold correctly?
 
Thought this Bascombe post is spot on, esoecially the lack of public board support for Martinez until yesterday.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-is-not-for-sale-they-can-really-mean-it.html
Chelsea did not help him or themselves with the timing of their offers. Universally praised for moving swiftly when they bought Cesc Fabregas and Diego Costa in 2014, bidding for Stones three weeks before the start of the season was always going to rile Martinez who is a far more belligerent than his affable exterior suggests. When Martinez said Stones would not be leaving in this window, he did not do so in the hope Jose Mourinho would return with a £40 million cheque.

Martinez’s response after Everton’s League Cup win over Barnsley was his most forceful to date. To be fair to the Spanish coach, until then he was a one-man media response unit over the whole saga, which might explain why Chelsea seemed unwilling to or incapable of taking what was said at face value. Encouraging Stones to hand in a transfer request when you have no idea if a deal will ever be struck bordered on the obscene (we must presume Chelsea had a role in that since they appeared to know it was on its way a week before Stones wrote it).

If you want cynicism, there appears to be a trend to encourage a 'hate mob' to mobilise and turn on a player so the cameras can focus on abusers or shirt burners, thus making a position untenable. Do not mistake a few publicity grabbers for the Everton fanbase, the overwhelming majority recognising Stones as an ambitious player understandably tempted by the move. Stones was put in an invidious position by the trail of events. Martinez had warned it would change nothing – once more, that matter of a long contract limiting the power of the player.

Chairman Bill Kenwright’s public statement on Thursday evening was a welcome intervention and seems to have made the London club back off.

That could have come sooner. The initial lack of a public response to Stones’s formal letter was baffling and may even have contributed to many (wrongly) concluding the sands had shifted. Martinez took the opportunity with his impressive and reassuring performance at Oakwell to correct that error and clarify that was not the case, but it was a mood shifter when Kenwright confirmed it. It should not always be left to a manager facing the microphones to reaffirm a club’s stance. The manager, after all, is an employee who is a hostage to fortune.

We now – finally – have the assurance Martinez was speaking entirely for his board. A fanbase increasingly wary of their club's history of selling high on the last day of the transfer window must be confident there will be no compromise this time. By Thursday evening we reached the point where Everton can not let Stones go. They left themselves no wriggle room. No Chelsea bid can be deemed acceptable before September 1, regardless of how high Mourinho is prepared to go or how many transfer records threatened.

By resisting, Martinez will offer a timely reminder to all clubs with players on long contracts that when they insist an asset is not for sale, it is possible to really mean it.
 
I figured out exactly what this has all reminded myself.

Right, so Jose Mourinho is this:

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Abramovich is this:

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Martinez is this:

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And Stones is one of these:

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Right, so with all that in mind, watch this scene.

 
He's a young lad who has been offered the chance to join the existing Champions, to play CL football and receive mega bucks. This has been going on for months. Anyone, and I mean anyone, would have done the same. However he has,so far, shown a very professional approach for someone so young, unlike Sterling, and now that the club have said no deal will be done, everyone should, and I believe will, get behind him......

I feel more proud as an Evertonian because we told a smaller but richer club to sod off...........


Am I the only one that still didn't think this saga has still legs even if it carries on to the next transfer window ?


I have just seen an interview from Tony Pluis and he seems to be back tracking at a pace.
 

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